We released another update to Opera developer 25. We’ve been busy, so this release comes with a bunch of fixes. A complete list of changes can be found in the changelog.

PDF viewer
Opera can now open PDF documents without the need to install and run any third-party plug-ins. Now, clicking links on pages that deviously lead to PDF documents won’t disrupt your workflow, as your focus will remain in the same window. Opera’s PDF solution is based on Chromium’s PDFium.
sample_pdf
If you prefer to stay with your current viewer, that’s no problem at all. Opera’s solution will be used only if there is no other plug-in installed.

New online package installer for Windows

Our previous network installer for Windows had a very limited UI. Actually, there was only a progress bar. Before, Opera only interacted with the user after the whole package was downloaded, just before installation. It was quite disruptive.

We decided to redesign and improve. We made major interaction design changes. The download and installation is now combined into a single seamless process..
new_ni
In this release, a dialog appears as soon as the application is launched. If the user decides to install Opera, the rest of process continues automatically and the installation finishes with Opera opening its welcome page. We think the new UI and interaction is very nice.

Known issues

The issues mentioned last time have been fixed. But, development is a continuous process, and we’ve found another bug to be fixed in the future:

  • Switching tabs focuses the address field on both Windows and Linux.

We’ll be fixing this up very soon. In the meantime, let us know what you think either in the comments below or in the browser forums.

Changelog and download links

Full changelog.

…wait, what is this number? What happens if we double it?…

About Mateusz Madej

I'm a tester in Opera Desktop Team - Warsaw office. I started working for Opera in July 2013 and was an Opera user since 9.5 version.

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  • nanana1

    Thanks for this new Opera 25 Developer build 1606 with built-in PDF viewer !

  • L33t4opera

    Hi Mateusz, thanks for the update anyway 😉
    Congrats on new online package installer for Windows!

  • IllusionMH

    How do you pick colors for speed dial items?
    After this update I only miss acid green color in this palette. http://take.ms/OYYTp

    Also Lo-dash and github icons looks not so cool now 🙁

  • NoName

    Only activating build in PDF viewer when no PDF plugin is present is great!

  • iosaddict

    What about PDF.js?

    • Philip

      There was a lengthy article somewhere about why they chose pdfium over pdf.js. IIRC the essence was that the performance was better with PDFium, but I might be wrong.

      • iosaddict

        I thought Opera was contributing to PDF.js and I was expecting them to bring PDF.js to Opera, not sure about PDFium though.
        https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/how-fast-is-pdf-js/

        • Guest

          PDFium is written in c++ and is faster than PDF.js that is based on web technologies. There are several bugs in PDF.js too. PDFium is since 3 month open source thats why they used PDF.js before.

        • SQL

          Native is always better than extension. That simple.

          • iosaddict

            True that.

          • sabeast

            What you’re calling “native” is still an external plugin, it’s just included in the browser. Even though PDF.js is not a traditional plugin, it could still be included in the browser just like pdfium is. Just wanting to clarify (although I maybe wrong). From what people are saying pdfium is considered better, although the last time i tried it didn’t have thumbnails on the side for the pages like pdf.js does.

    • Footman

      PDFium is written in c++ and is faster than PDF.js that is based on web technologies. There are several bugs in PDF.js too. PDFium is since 3 month open source thats why they used PDF.js before.

      • iosaddict

        I see. I guess that’s the end of the story, no more collaboration between Opera and Mozilla on PDF.js anymore.

  • http://veuillezparlapresente.com/ Loutre Perfide

    Does the Opera sync between computers works thiis time?

    I didn’t work with Bookmarks previously.

    • Nekomajin43

      No.

  • pauloaguia

    “If you prefer to stay with your current viewer, that’s no problem at all. Opera’s solution will be used only if there is no other plug-in installed.”

    Ok, and is there any way we can test the new viewer anyway (without uninstalling the plugin)

    • NoName

      Try disable the plugin in opera:plugins

  • VladdSerbia

    If there is no internet connection available, Opera installer process doesn’t close after Opera is installed. (offline package for Win)

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      How could it ever have succeeded with the install if there was no working network connection? This shouldn’t ever happen.

      • NoName

        He’s talking about the offline package…

      • VladdSerbia

        “Offline package” should not need internet connection to finish installing. I don’t use “downloader” version to install software, and I probably never will.

  • Footman

    [Mac Bugs]
    1. On all macs: after downloading file, the file does not get “Added at time” information. So i cant see the file in finder in sorted list.
    2. Yosemite: When downloading file, opera blocks connection and it is not possible do anything with internet at this time.

  • Footman

    Why PDFium is better than PDF Viewer?

    • NoName

      It’s not necessarily better.
      But for the people who have not installed a PDF viewer. It’s a nice feature to be able to see PDF files on the internet.

      You also have to worry less about security holes in 3rd party PDF applications.

  • Niyawa

    Thanks for the update. I really want to test a 64-bit build so hopefully we’ll get it with 26. I just wonder if it’ll have a bigger memory footprint.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      I wouldn’t expect a 64 bit build that soon.

      • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

        *cough*

        • Petter Nilsen

          You need to make it more obvious that you have a cold.

        • Vux777

          ooo, you gonna be cooked and baked if next version doesn’t come in 64bit flavor…
          everyone will whine:
          -“but Daniel make *cough* thing, signaling that 64 is coming”
          😀

    • Eric83

      My Linux version looks like it’s 64 bits.

      • L33t4opera

        Yes, for now, there are only: 64-bit version for Linux, and 32-bit versions for Mac, and Windows.

  • kacki

    i hope chromecast is next?! please 🙂

  • Ralf Brinkmann

    Sorry, as long as you don’t fix the bug

    Switching tabs focuses the address field on both Windows and Linux.
    I’m not going to install and test this new version. Too much hand acrobatics for my keyboard accustomed fingers.

  • Leonardo Gomes

    New flags:

    Mojo based IPC channel for renderers
    Mac, Windows, Linux
    Enable Mojo based IPC channel for communication between browser process and renderer processes.
    #enable-renderer-mojo-channel

    Remember certificate error decisions
    Mac, Windows, Linux
    Remember decisions to proceed through SSL errors for a specified length of time.
    #remember-cert-error-decisions

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Note: at least here enabling the “Mojo based IPC channel for renderers” flags makes Opera to not work well: all pages are black and sometimes Opera may crash.

      • taneli

        Yes, also all internal pages become black.

  • Łukasz Jurczak

    Why when Opera starts I have for ~10 s. loading icon on my windows cursor?

    • Vux777

      long time ago I had similar experience because of zoneAlarm FW… check your firewall for something like system file check (it was long time ago, can’t remember right name for the function) OR your AV program…probably is one of those two that slows Opera start up

      • Łukasz Jurczak

        Im using everything default on Windows 8 64 bit. (Windows Defender only)

  • Em-a-il

    “…wait, what is this number? What happens if we double it?…”

    Secret message hidden in the post…

    • NoName

      Thanks… I guess the number is 32 😀

  • Lacedaemon

    * “Extended lazy session loading” works like a charm when you open a recently closed window, it loads all the tabs one by one sequentially, which is so smooth and so much caring to the resources (CPU and network). I’m baffled why this can not be the standard behavior when you want to open folders (containing many items) as well, and instead you have to wait for the hang browser + system to respond because of the over-load.

    * I’ve been saying about this since many months but there is no response. Why can’t we Shift-Click a folder to open the contained links to a new window, like it is done with individual thumbnails? If something makes more sense is opening many items in a new window, not opening a window for a single item.

    * Why can’t we unload the items contained in a folder simply with a right-click menu entry and we have to do this one, by one, by one?

    * Other one-by one annoyance: Opening multiple links at once is not possible with the current form of history…

    Bugs:

    -Loading the browser with the new startpage default shows in the left Bar “Stash” for 1-2 seconds before changing to “Bookmarks”

    -Media, Geolocation and Notifications are not editable in the Settings.

    • Rob Segal

      I so agree with what you said about history. The other problem with that is no ability to delete multiple history items at once.

      It’s also just nice to have more sorting options when it comes to history, bookmarks, etc. which are not available in the current formats

  • Кostadin

    Hi Desktop team,

    Apologies for the naive question but can you please elaborate on:
    CHR-2993 Make sure that the Chromium sync testserver is capable of serving requests outside of localhost

    Does this mean that Opera will share users’ synchronized items with Google?

    • Petter Nilsen

      No, this is for our internal use.

  • http://www.operaturkiye.net/ Mağruf Çolakoğlu

    Thanks first. It seems O25 is getting nice everyday. Especially PDF integration is so nice.

  • =Skor_Pion=
    • SQL

      Oh wow.

  • João Gonçalves

    I like the new start page. It’s more Modern or Metro.

    • Olli

      I don’t. I prefer previews of the pages and not some (partially pixelated) icons.

      • Nekomajin43

        The new start page is more than just the new icons. Moreover, you can select among icons, thumbnails and generated tiles in the bookmarks manager, so this feature can pop up in the speeddial too.

        • Enelen

          The speed dial extensions, however, do not work in the new start page. 🙁

          • Nekomajin43

            According to the changelog, they have expanded the capability of the speeddial API, so the extensions will come back eventually.

      • João Gonçalves

        I meant the redesign of the start page.
        I also prefer the previews. To be perfect for me, I would like the new start page as is, but instead having icons, with previews.

    • Shacha GC

      i just wish the speeddial was as big as the previous speeddial

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      And just as useless.

  • mikemanger

    In the changelog the heading for this build has the wrong ID (still says b1597.0)

    • L33t4opera

      Hi, yes, I mentioned about it here 😉

  • Martin Falke

    I think the current Speed Dial better with the “preview images”, please give us this function also in the new Speed Dial …

    • Rob Segal

      I prefer that option too. As of right now I’m getting blank images for some speed dial thumbnails, e.g. phuturephillies.com

  • L33t4opera

    The below fixes, and improvements are also nice, thanks 😉
    – “DNA-25080 Add bookmarks bar to the folder option in the pop-up”,
    – “DNA-25043 [Linux] gnome classic / gnome fallback incorrectly detected as unity, then O menu is disabled”,
    – “DNA-24998 [Linux] Impossible to access menu on Unity with indicator-appmenu uninstalled”.

    • al_ghul

      yeah, another submenu to bookmarsk makes bookmarks menu pull down quicker, but still take soiime time to pull down next menu position – bkmk’s bar;)

  • _artem_

    >> Switching tabs focuses the address field on both Windows and Linux

    in some cases it’s not a bug but a feature 😀

    • Vux777

      agree 😀

  • Nekomajin43

    I think the main menu is very redundant. Why do we have an item to open the bookmarks manager in the main menu and in the bookmarks submenu too? Why do we have a separate history item when we have a recetly closed submenu? Why do we have a get extensions item when we have the same in the extension manager?
    You said that you wanted to create a minimalistic, simple and easy to use GUI. It is the opposite. It’s getting more complex with every update. You should redesign it. Bigger items, less redundancy.

    • Matt Gladman

      They are redesigning it….
      Open up opera://flags, enable “New Speed Dial” and you can see their WIP with the redesign.

      Do remember, this is the version that is in active development, you are seeing it in it’s rawest form (apart from internal builds obviously).Opera 25 today, will not be the Opera 25 released to the public.

      • Nekomajin43

        What? Man, i’m talking about the menu, not the start page.

    • Alex

      I agree, they are useless duplicates. They could add the submenu for Bookmarks at the newly added Bookmarks entry (with in the Speed Dial and Discover group) and they could also do the same for Recent Closed tabs and History. Yet I believe they’re still organising the Opera menu entries.

      • rufu2

        Yep, I’m sure this duplication is part of it being a work-in-progress. It definitely should be cleaned up before going to beta or stable.

    • plague

      I really, really, disagree.
      Having _shortcuts_ in the main menu to items that are otherwise listed elsewhere saves time.
      At the same time, once you have reason to wander into those other areas, it would be disruptive if the items weren’t there anymore, forcing you to open the main menu again to reach those items.

      Examples:
      The “Get Extensions” menu item. Yes, it belongs in the Extensions manager, but if it was removed from the main menu, you’d _have_ to always open the Extensions manager _first_, every time you want to browse for extensions _and then_ click on “Get Extensions”.
      That’s a whole extra unnecessary step.
      On the other hand, once you have the Extensions manager open, you don’t wanna _have_ to open the main menu to click on “Get Extensions”. So it would make no sense removing the link from the Extensions manager either.
      Thus making it optimal to have it in both places.

      The same can be said about the other items you mentioned.
      “History” and “Recently closed” aren’t even the same thing.
      “Recently closed” only shows exactly what it says, the most _recently_ closed tabs. “History” shows the entire browsing history. Two very different things and they are used in different scenarios.
      It would be a hassle to have to open the History manager every time you just accidentally close a tab, when it’s much quicker to just select the top item in the “Recently closed” submenu.

      Sure, make those shortcuts optional in the settings, if the demand is high enough for it.
      But don’t dumb down the browser into absurdness just because “shortcuts are bad, mkay”.

      New Opera’s UI is already far “cleaner” than Old Opera’s UI (Opera 12 and eariler) ever was.
      It absolutely has it’s upsides, but it also means it’s _far_ less customizable and power-user friendly than the Old Opera was.
      Meaning, in some areas it becomes less effective.

      Don’t make it worse just because some people don’t like shortcuts.

      • Nekomajin43

        I think the optimal solution would be to clean up the main menu. Bookmark button, recently closed button to the toolbar. Zoom buttont and turbo button to a static statusbar. Every other, rarely used features should remain in the main menu.

        • plague

          I can go along as far as moving the “History” item to the “Recently closed” submenu, and removing the “Bookmarks” item from the main menu, as it already exist in the “Bookmarks” submenu. But removing them entirely from the menu is a bad thing in my opinion.
          I’d like more options, not less.

          • al_ghul

            well, imo all of your complains guys would fulfil some kind of customisation of main menu (like in new ff), of course it won’t be ready soon (if even)…

          • Nekomajin43

            It seems we have a misunderstanding. I think they should rethink the whole sturcture of the main menu. It’s more and more complex with every new feature added. Using the bookmarks or the recently closed submenu is uncomfortable, because you have to position your mouse precisely on the horizontal line. Using the shortcuts (like history or settings) is uncomfortable, because there is a big redundancy.
            Why do we have to stick to the current structure? Why does the menu have to be a simple dropdown with submenus? I don’t think the new Firefox menu is perfect, but it points to the right direction.

          • plague

            Hmm, you may have a point. If they could come up with something more intuitive than a menu with submenus, that would be great. Just as long as functionality or convenience isn’t removed in favor of simplicity.

          • Nekomajin43

            I don’t want to loose functionality too.

  • helsten2

    Peacekeeper score going back up 🙂 But the rendering on some of the graphics tests were “strange” … (like only half the window was used)

    Now I have problems with the logon dialog at komplett.no. Worked perfect in previous versions.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Works just fine for me.

      • helsten2

        Well, that won’t help me … 🙂

        [IMG]http://i58.tinypic.com/290v3pk.png[/IMG]

        After waiting a loooong time and clicking around on the dialog, I can finally see the fields. But I cannot see any cursor and I cannot see what I type. Again, after clicking the logon-button, I wait a loooong time before the dialog disappears and I am logged in (if my typing was correct)
        [IMG]http://i62.tinypic.com/18n42x.png[/IMG]

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          Hm. you resize the browser window? Update graphic card drivers? Try disabling plug-ins temporarily? (The boxes resemble standard advertisement unit sizes s you could have an aggressive ad in a background tab that doesn’t play nicely with your Flash version and graphic card.)

          • helsten2

            I tried disabling plug-ins, but it did not help.
            I got too many problems with dialogs and data entry
            so I re-installed the previous build. Everything works again …
            I’ll try again with the next build 🙂

  • _artem_

    some builds ago as there still was a flag to organize opened tabs or something like that… I turned it on. in the very next build this flag was removed.. but I still have kinda minimize button in the tab bar which should represent this opened tabs interface but it does nothing and isn’t clickable )))

    ( p.s. I know I can delete this pseudo button by deleting Local State file but I don’t want to 😀 )

    • Nekomajin43

      It’s still there: opera://flags/#tab-menu

      • L33t4opera

        Hi Nekomajin43, but it’s still work in progress 😉

        • Nekomajin43

          But the flag is there, and he wrote it’s removed.

  • taneli

    Some problems:
    – Some elements aren’t showing correctly (ie. the “Sorty by” dropdown on Disqus.
    – Rendering problems after animation (Also can be found on this Disqus page, when a new post has that vanishing blue bar to the left… and it finally vanishes, only a part of the text moves to the left and it gets all messed up.)
    – What’s up with the new icons on startpage? The colors aren’t making any sort of sense anymore, last time i had Opera Blog page as a red tile, now it’s yellow (Red says Opera to me better), also a blueish site with a blue logo, used to be a blue tile, now red o.O

    Win8.1 x64

    • NoName

      Confirmed. Lots of rendering artifacts when things are changing/moving.
      Win 8

    • Der Herr Nick

      Same rendering problems on Win7/32. Aaaargh!
      *Disqus
      *Background images on Twitter
      *Many more…

    • al_ghul

      well, i have problems with youtube bell icon with cloud-list of new messages/comments – it’s corrupted, doesn’t show content or is loading very slow with scrolling errors. some JS bug? problem occured after update to Opera dev ver. 25.0.1606.0 (win7/x64).

  • Inquisitor

    I know I’m an old bore, but there are still issues with fonts in O25. Look at this example from three different websites – rendered by O24 (top) and O25 (bottom): notice how in O25 the top menus spill over to a second line:

    • Inquisitor

      Hmmm… Disqus refused to add the image.
      Second try:

      • Vux777

        I can see that fonts are bold(er) on lower images…try disabling DirectWrite and see if that helps
        opera://flags/#disable-direct-write

        • Inquisitor

          All fonts are indeed larger (and ‘bold’ even more so) in O25, compared to all previous versions of Opera.

          The examples in my first post were with ‘Disable DirectWrite’ enabled (in other words: DirectWrite was off).

          Here’s how it looks with ‘Disable DirectWrite’ disabled (i.e. DirectWrite is on):

          • Inquisitor

            Disqus is being difficult today… 🙁
            Attachment:

          • Inquisitor

            Now this is funny: all the above examples were with my Windows DPI set to 100%. When I set it to 125%, everything is as it should be, with no more overflow into a second line. Awesome! 🙂
            My only quibble now is the relative large size of the address bar and the tabs. Could you perhaps shave a pixel or two off the height?

  • Cjcr

    Still no desktop notifications support inside an extension 🙁

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

      Works fine over here (Win 8.1). Which OS is that? Linux?

      • Cjcr

        Is Windows 8.1, same as you. Let me check again …

      • Cjcr

        Nop, doesn’t work. Windows 8.1 x64, Opera 25 (this one) and extension ‘Desktop Notifications for Android’ (you can find it in the Chrome store).

  • rbq

    1. I can’t find the option to disable autoupdates.
    2. Also can’t find the option to disable this sitecheck function.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      These features are security essential and cannot be disabled at this time. You can block the services’ hostnames if you feel really strongly about it. However, we would appreciate your input on why you want to disable these features? That way, we can address your concern at the source.

      • Nekomajin43

        I know you like usecases, but this issue was discussed several times, and we wrote usecases too.

        For an average user, autoupdate is the perfect solution. As a web developer, I’m glad that more and more people use up-to-date browsers. However, controlling the update is the right of the user. Examples:
        – I’ve read the changelog and there is a serious (for me) issue
        – I use a connection where even 30 MB is a big amount of data
        – I use a week machine in my class, the update process begins in the background, and I have to deal with a slow presentation or anything
        – I just like to press buttons

        All we want is a confirm option to postpone the update. It can be optional, disabled by default, hidden by the konami spell. Is it such a big claim that takes months to consider and implement? I don’t think so.

        • escruting

          Totally agree.

          And we need some screen telling us opera has updated itself and telling us whats changed/improved or something, right now everything is so stealthy and we dont know whats happening. Normal users would be confused with this update system IMHO.

          • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

            I can confirm this.
            I’ve seen reports in Opera’s forum by non-tech users like “There’s a new heart button and it came out of nowhere. The other icons are gone. I did not do anything”…

        • escruting

          Totally agree.

          And we need some screen telling us opera has updated itself and telling us whats changed/improved or something, right now everything is so stealthy and we dont know whats happening. Normal users would be confused with this update system IMHO.

      • Ana Stubbs

        My usecase is that I use an Atom based Windows tablet. Opera itself runs very well, but the autoupdate monopolises resources and causes anything else that wants to run to turn into molasses. My main purpose for turning it on is usually to write my classnotes on it. This is majorly delayed if Opera has decided it wants to update. Meanwhile, class is not stopping so that my web browser can patch itself.

        I would much rather patch it later that evening over my own wifi, when it can have all the time it needs. But that choice is not available to me right now.

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          So you’re simply having a performance problem with it? Okay, anything in particular that clogs it up? I could take a guess at a really worn hard drive. We could handle that better. Please submit a bug report with as much details as you can dig up for us.

          • plague

            Are you kidding me!?
            1. It’s an Atom based tablet. Atom CPU’s are not that fast, so updating software on them may cause other programs to lag.
            2. It’s a _tablet_! When was the last time you saw a tablet with a _hard drive_?
            3. He specifically mentioned that he’d rather update the software later at home when he’s connected to WiFi, obviously meaning he might not have good bandwidth during class or at work.

            How the hell did you manage to translate that into “faulty hard drive”? I call bullshit on that one.

      • Daniel Carvalho

        Kinda out of place here, but I’ll ask anyway.

        Why don’t you just update Opera 12.17 for the new resources that are out there now? You don’t have to change anything about it, don’t change the layout, the bookmarks, or whatever you do with your Chromium based Opera. Just make the Presto one updated for those who do not want to use Chromium. I’m using Opera 12.17 because I had lots of problems with opera 22 and above, and switched back to other browsers. Chrome had a way better performance, but it doesn’t have half the resources I use in Opera 12.17, so I kinda switched back to it before I could even realize.

        I know it would take time and resources to do that, but you have an immense base of users asking for an updated version of Opera 12. It would certainly be the best possible scenario for both users and developers to have that around. With it, you wouldn’t have to “survive comments” from those who want 12.17 back, and could focus on powering up your Chrome-clone for those who like it.

        All I’m asking for is an update to the Presto based browser. Make it run what it can’t now, like HTML5 files, give Extension Developers more accessibility to bring their updated Extensions to it and that’ll make all of us happy.

        Just make it, please.

        • Matt Gladman

          @Daniel Carvalho, that isn’t going to happen buddy, if Opera 12 does get updated, it will be very small security / bug fix. Nothing major in the internals, browser development is very difficult (look at the Chromium sources), and most of the team that used to maintain Presto has left with the switch to Blink/Webkit. It’s not going to happen, Opera are focusing their resources elsewhere. Opera 12 is a discontinued product.

          It would be like someone saying “Hey Microsoft, Update Internet Explorer 6, I really liked it, it was perfect, just make it work with all new stuff. It’ll make all of us happy”. It ain’t happening buddy, and it would be counter intuitive.

        • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

          Please use the discussion forums in the future for topics that are not related to the blog posts.

          The Presto browser will only receive security and migration critical updates.

      • rbq

        TLDR: The security argument is a lie. Executable binaries on my machines secretly being replaced is a security nightmare. It is not desirable that anybody can suddenly enforce feature changes of software I rely on. Uninformed, powerless users are an invitation for abuse by company executives shoving new anti-features and products down their throat. I only install updates when home, not when you think it’s a good time. It’s really scary.

        > These features are security essential

        I don’t believe this to be true. Opera most likely doesn’t ship just security fixes but primarily pushes major and minor feature upgrades/changes through this channel.

        My primary reason for wanting to opt out of (or actually rather not want to opt into) automatic updating is that I don’t like having backdoors on my computer. Even if you have the best intentions, a software that automatically (and even secretly) loads executable code from a remote server and runs it without a way to opt out is bad™ for multiple reasons:

        1. Security: Maybe Opera is completely trustworthy and there is zero chance that one day anybody could possibly gain control over the keys to sign an update and the DNS or CDN. But the message you send to users and the industry is that shipping trojan horses under the pretext of security is perfectly fine, and that user’s don’t have the right to check for virus signatures, wait for other people’s experiences, download executables only over trusted network connections, or just stick to a piece of software that works perfectly fine until there is an issue that actually affects them. Understandably the software industry wants to transition from opt-in updating to every single software vendor being able to ship new code to anybody’s computer at any time. Sadly this is actually a security nightmare for advanced users. I puts us into a position where we can’t controll what’s happening on our machines any more. And I believe it’s only a matter of time until someone exploits it.

        2. Reliability: Without a chance to control the point in time when software updates are installed, read changelogs and check for other people’s experiences, we sooner or later experience unexpected behavioral changes. In the best case we miss cool new features that are installed behind you back, in the worst case something changes right when we go into a presentation or the major update downloaded at home is installed when we are on a four hours train ride without internet connection, breaking browser extensions we rely on to do some web development.

        3. Company policies: Running code on user’s machines is a powerful thing and, as it seems, nowadays abused more often than ever. I think most users have encountered software shipping with unwanted or harmful anti-features such as adware, advertising, app stores and locked down extension ecosystems, user-tracking, backdoors, permanently installed background services, turning existing features into payed addons or migrating users to a completely new product that is supposed to replace the old one. E. g. as a happy user of Opera 12 I’m really, really glad I can at least use it until I find a replacement that works for me.

        4. Side effects: I have 300 MB free traffic on my phone and I would really prefer to decide by myself what I use it for. There are generally good times and bad times for updating, and you can’t possibly know.

        5. Trust: For me as a user it’s completely disturbing what’s going on here. As it seems you now need to unlock two levels of hidden power user settings to reach even the most basic browser settings anyway. Like, you know, displaying the URL in the URL bar. But still the option to decide when to install new software versions is so horribly dangerous that even the most advanced advanced users can not be trusted to decide for themselves. Not leaving this decision to us shines a very strange light on Opera as a company and makes you wonder if you should actually run this software under your account without a sandbox at all. Seriously, what must be wrong with someone who actually decides that we shouldn’t have any say in this at all?

        • Kharom

          +1

          Even Google Chrome has a way to disable the dreaded autoupdate. Granted, it’s very well hidden from casual users because it can only be found in a registry key, but that’s actually benefitial to administrators.

        • FoolOfATook

          +1 to everything you said. It’s disgusting how watered down everything is these days. I don’t know who to blame: The sheeple that let it happen, or the actual companies themselves.

          I think all those points you made can be summed up into one statement: Control. We want control. It just so happens that with autoupdates, the lack of control also translates into behaviour that disturbingly closely parallels that of malware. Autoupdating executables that we have no control over? No thank you. Seriously, how hard is it to give us an option? WHAT IS THE REASON that you do not give us an option. Because even if it was security, which is a blatant lie, that is OUR choice, and ours alone. Not yours. You do not get the right to make our choices for us.

          /rant

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        -You putting and removing features people like/don’t?

        -Opera becoming a serious resource hog?

        -No sync whatsoever and we need to keep a back up of our profile just in case a new version deserves being skipped, or risk not having backwards compatibility with the previous install?

        You seem to think every new version of Opera shines, the fact is every new version gets more difficult to test, now it takes up to 1GB RAM and I’m about to kiss Speed Dial goodbye, will rely on the new Bookmarks as a last resource to give it a shot. It already became my secondary browser.

      • myoperaexile

        Why would we want to disable point 2, the sitecheck feature?
        Simply, information leakage for those who are unaware it’s even happening. So here’s a scenario for you (and it’s just one of many contrived but possible ones):

        A Norwegian doesn’t trust her government and wants to browse without their knowledge to both secure and insecure sites, so she buys a Linux server VM in Ecuador and uses that as a SOCKS proxy over SSL.

        When she browses to, e.g. http://www.fightcorruptnorwegiangovernment.org/, Opera quietly sends the SiteCheck request over the SOCKS SSL tunnel and through to Opera SiteCheck servers in Norway. The government is monitoring all plaintext requests to that server, traces the IP back to her server and sees that she frequently makes SSL connections from her Norwegian address to that server. They begin watching her every move.

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      Delete autoupdate.exe in Opera install files.
      Or add an environment variable to block auto updates.

      I don’t really remember well, but it something like OPERA_AUTOUPDATE_DISABLED. But I’m not sure.

      It blocks updates for all three branches, stable, next and dev.

  • Łukasz Darzki

    1. Opera started crashing on imgur galleries with a lot of pictures.
    2. Search does not work here, with disquos comments on.

  • http://www.techmansworld.com/ Michael Hazell

    Sigh. I guess you guys won’t be making a 32 bit build for Linux after all.

  • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

    Refuses to load now (used to 3 builds ago) in Ubuntu 14.04, tried both Gnome & Unity

  • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

    Have to do a check for updates twice
    Refresh the about Opera to get the update to download

    Windows 8.1

    • rufu2

      Yes, it did not download the new version at once for me too. Maybe a server load issue yesterday?

      • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

        It has been like that for a few builds now, it downloads after a 2nd check for updates (page refresh)

  • taneli

    I still have this problem when opening youtube links from embedded videos (clicking the “YouTube” button on the embedded player.

    So basically: Press the button on the video -> youtube video page opens, but i’m not logged in, needs a refresh to log me in.

    Now, i can get rid of this when i disable “Block 3rd party cookies and site data”, but i’ve always had this on, and these worked fine untill a couple of builds ago.
    Also, while testing this (having the “Block 3rd party stuff” ticket ON), no extensions enabled, it sometimes worked as i was expecting it to, to log me in when i open the page.

    Everything works 100% of the time if i tick that box off, but only about 1% of the time when it’s ticked on, but still does sometime work.
    Which is weird, would had expected it to never work if the option is ticked ON, if it had something to do with actual youtube’s 3rd party cookies, also i can log in and use youtube just fine, and open youtube pages from other sources, just not from embedded videos.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

    CHR-2543 Implementation of MP3 and H.264 support.

    Hohohoho!! yes!!

    • Lacedaemon

      This is in every dev build for quite some time, it is constant WIP I guess.

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        I copy-pasted as is, no mention of WP1. Haven´t tried it, tought.

        • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

          work in progress, not way point one ^^

          • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

            Changelog mentions neither of them, right? It wasn’t me who brought the topic on.

          • NoName

            Ah, finally someone confirming that it’s actually “waypoint”, thanks 🙂

          • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

            Did I say this?
            AFAICT it’s actually “Working package” xD

  • hawkie

    Hi, thanks for further development, I like new speed dial style and I can’t wait to have stable bookmark-able version of Opera.

    Also I would like to ask whether there will be an option to set exact size of tiles or not? It is possible in opera 23, 24 via power user but in opera dev 25 there is none – it is fine to make tiles smaller and not having a necessity to scroll down when there is too much of them.

  • A. R.

    I’d questioned the viewing of pdf and flash and some other plugins inside Opera.
    Because, there is a difference of security and stability & performance.

    I’m keeping those Opera thingy’s off for now and always has been.

    The question lies where is MIME types setup?

    For an average user Opera´s settings menu was awesome in Opera 12 – as also for power users. Why can’t we have more access control to the application?
    Nowadays all adobe pdf silverlight flash shockwave word excel etc. have build-in malware blockers, auto or one can set them on.

    So why use Opera as there is stability & performance issues.
    And Opera is vastly still underdeveloped. Gotta applaud them though. But not grande majore, like Opera 12.

    Also x64 is not yet EVEN mentioned.

  • A. R.

    I’d questioned the viewing of pdf and flash and some other plugins inside Opera.
    Because, there is a difference of security and stability & performance.

    I’m keeping those Opera thingy’s off for now and always has been.

    The question lies where is MIME types setup?

    For an average user Opera´s settings menu was awesome in Opera 12 – as also for power users. Why can’t we have more access control to the application?
    Nowadays all adobe pdf silverlight flash shockwave word excel etc. have build-in malware blockers, auto or one can set them on.

    So why use Opera as there is stability & performance issues.
    And Opera is vastly still underdeveloped. Gotta applaud them though. But not grande majore, like Opera 12.

    Also x64 is not yet EVEN mentioned.

  • Vux777

    for those who can’t start Opera after messing with flags (black screen)

    add –no-experiments to shortcut and then reset all flags…. that mojo thingie is main suspect

    • Leonardo Gomes

      It’s also possible to edit Local State file and remove the flag(s).

  • dflyra

    Still problems with synchronization? (message ‘Connection to the synchronization server is temporary unavailable. Will try again soon’ – not happening with Opera next)

  • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala
    • http://www.youtube.com/user/max1cp?feature=mhum Maxim

      Is there a list of new features in 24?

      • SuuperTommy

        Most likely in a blog post tomorrow.

        They have almost always released the stable silently a day before blog post and auto-update.

      • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

        If you been following this blog, you already know what it is about. Boooookmaaaarks!!

        • http://www.youtube.com/user/max1cp?feature=mhum Maxim

          Well I know some features, but I would like full change log. I guess I will just have to wait for official post.

        • Lacedaemon

          Bookmarks? In that unfinished state and just introduced in the previous build? No way. I think it would be tab previews…

    • L33t4opera
  • Lacedaemon

    In the meantime, let us know what you think either in the comments below or in the browser forums.

    We would, if you would announce it there and use it (the forum) as well.

  • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

    What does the PDF viewer do when you have the Opera PDF extension?

    • Nekomajin43

      Why don’t you try it?

    • http://vinczej.blogspot.hu vinczej

      The PDF extension overrides the instant PDF viewer.

      • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

        Tho both would be listed as Opera for the dev?

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      PDF.JS takes over unless you disable in extensions, a much wise decision, I mean of PDF.JS

  • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

    Who is Mojo? 😉

    • http://www.blackcoder.de blackcoder

      It is that thing, which Austin Powers lost one time. 🙂

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      Sam Witwiky’s dog in Transformers.

      • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

        In Opera it is a IPC (unstable last time I tried)

        it is a character in Power Puff Girls

  • miles82

    Erm, nothing works for me since the update (I’m on Win7). Not a single page opens, not even speed dial, bookmarks, opera:// pages … Tabs just say “Loading…” in the title and the page is completely white. What’s going on? (I had to post this from Chrome)

    • miles82

      It doesn’t even work if I try a fresh standalone install.

      • miles82

        Am I the only one experiencing this?! Nothing (no web page, no opera internal page) opens in this version, just blank white tabs.

        • rufu2

          It’s working here, Win7 x64

  • http://vinczej.blogspot.hu vinczej

    How can I “force” the internal PDF viwer, if I have any external plugin, but I want to use the internal PDF viwer?

    • taneli

      opera:plugins
      And disable the external one for the time being.

    • Vux777

      O menu>>more tools>> enable developer tools
      O menu>>developer tools>>plugins
      there are listed all plugins that Opera recognize it..

    • http://vinczej.blogspot.hu vinczej

      Thanks, works!

  • http://colector.ucoz.com/ Cristian Trusca

    Just to point this out the:
    new Google Chrome browser with 64 bit stable version,
    it is right now more than (2 times more stable) and (more secure) and (15% faster in decompression) or something like this and most likely faster….
    This means that Opera need now to add 64 bit engine to get a 2 times stable version of opera engine.
    And right now we could use and need to have at least a Opera stable browser with the new 64 bit chrome engine. Right ? 🙂

    • taneli

      We also need something that can render web pages, atm. it’s annoying as sh** to try to read these deformed disqussion posts.

      • http://colector.ucoz.com/ Cristian Trusca

        Yes right how do you help any one by saying this sh** ?
        And do you have problem with rendering the web pages ?
        lol probably you should write a bug report to them ?…..

        • taneli

          I already gave descriptions earlier on this Disqus chain about the problems 🙂

  • Inquisitor

    Issue with the following website in O25:

    http://www.wegenenverkeer.be/

    If you scroll down the page, the background picture moves along with the text. It should remain fixed.

    (Try it out in O24 to see what I mean. )

    • Przemek Kudła

      Thanks, we will file a bug.

    • Hookah1388 .

      I have background clipping issues on other web pages, too.

    • FoolOfATook

      I have those same issues. Among others. Mainly the background clipping one and links highlighting and hover not working. And it’s not DirectWrite, since I have it disabled. Unless the flag is buggy and it didn’t disable, which I have a feeling is what happened.

  • Андрей

    “–force-native-window-frame=false” doesn’t work for me on Kubuntu 14.04 anymore :/

  • http://colector.ucoz.com/ Cristian Trusca

    “DNA-24995 [Win] Flash plug-in slowing the computer”
    This is fixed right now ? Or what this means more exactly ?

  • patkoscsaba

    I start to like KDE integration. Good work. It almost feels native.

    You probably already know these, but a couple of small UI fixes are still needed:
    1. Text is cropped at the button in the address bar.
    2. Extension icons are not always showing, instead a small “puzzle piece” icon is shown for them. They seem to work right though.

    • Андрей

      can you please post a screenshot of your Opera on KDE ? I can’t see any integration on my Kubuntu 14.04.

  • kabforks

    64-bit is coming: “…wait, what is this number? What happens if we double it?…”

    • http://colector.ucoz.com/ Cristian Trusca

      old processors was on 32-bit now they are on 64-bit and the new OS support now more than 4GB of memory from 64-bit plus others changes…

    • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

      Yep, cleaver use of font colors

  • http://colector.ucoz.com/ Cristian Trusca
  • Hookah1388 .

    Still didn’t bring back the #warn-about-insecure-content flag. Ugh.

    • http://colector.ucoz.com/ Cristian Trusca

      Yes i wait for plug-in monitor to but i think they fix the problem i have with flash that made it show up…
      To bad you have not fix
      But you could try the next 24 version in there it is still the old flags and in the stable version 23 i think in there is to if the flag was old…
      In developers i don’t think you could have a chase to get it back only if they see is needed…. but for now just use the others version probably it has the flag if is old…

      • Hookah1388 .

        True. Tanx.

      • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

        It may have been removed as they found a bug in it or something else is not right

        • Arjan van Leeuwen

          The experimental flags are not Opera’s settings – it’s just where features that aren’t finished yet or need more testing go until they are ready to be enabled permanently.

          The plug-in monitor was one of those features: first it was developed, and then it has been enabled by default for a long time now. As there were no known showstopper bugs with it it has been enabled permanently, so the flag is not supposed to come back. But if you found a problem with it you should file a bug report of course 🙂

          • Hookah1388 .

            “The experimental flags are not Opera’s settings – it’s just where features that aren’t finished yet or need more testing go until they are ready to be enabled permanently.”

            I understand that and that is fine. I just don’t see why there’s not an option in Settings to disable such a feature instead of forcing it on us the past few builds. It’s something I expected to see in Settings very early on. Do you think this is the intended goal?

  • ldme

    [might be OT] does anybody know why there is “google update” plugin listed in opera:plugins ?

    • rufu2

      I don’t see it here (Win 7 x64). So you might have installed some plugin from Google?

  • MichaelVail

    In linux(Arch Linux) many of the icons look like puzzle pieces and this started around 3 upgrades back. There’s been some great fixes for linux including the theme changes and such. I’m ready to use opera-developer full time.

    • Arjan van Leeuwen

      Can you be more specific? Which icons look like puzzle pieces for you? If you have the time, it would be good if you could report a bug at https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/. This will also allow you to attach a screenshot.

  • http://colector.ucoz.com/ Cristian Trusca

    >>Super feature request for<< Speed Dial with Preview:
    add when we go with the mouse over the Speed Dials button to show a preview of the full page in the background or instead of the Speed dial button.
    You get it ? :))))) this will be to wonderful to add to Opera speed dial features 🙂

    • Em-a-il

      Yes, like the tab preview.

  • Joe Gutiérrez

    The ”add to Speed Dial” button/option in this image is useless, unless you make it possible to choose where to put the ”bookmarked” page before it’s added to Bookmarks. I.E.: If I click the Heart Menu to put the page in Speed Dial ONLY, I have then to go to Bookmarks to remove the same page from Unsorted Bookmarks. I hope I explained well…

    • Nekomajin43

      +1

    • Alex

      Same here, I don’t see the use of adding a page to Bookmarks, then to Speed Dial, only to remove it from Bookmarks. I mean we can already add to Speed Dial by right-click and it takes less.

    • https://www.aeyoun.com/ Daniel Aleksandersen

      Thanks for the feedback on this.

    • Ghirahim

      Oh man, that is the worst!!! Fix it ASAP!

  • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

    Page crash on opera://extensions/ when trying to disable PDF Viewer (Opera), page gets black boxes, then try a page reload Opera 25 dev crashes (crash report auto sent)

    OS X 10.9.4

    • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

      9/1/14 5:19:25.191 PM WindowServer[98]: common_reenable_update: UI updates were finally reenabled by application “Opera” after 2.36 seconds (server forcibly re-enabled them after 1.00 seconds)

      9/1/14 5:19:26.925 PM Opera[1573]: dnssd_clientstub deliver_request: socketpair failed 24 (Too many open files)

      9/1/14 5:19:32.593 PM Opera[1573]: open on /Users/username/Library/Application Support/com.operasoftware.OperaDeveloper/session.dbak: Too many open files

      9/1/14 5:19:36.993 PM Opera[1573]: dnssd_clientstub deliver_request: socketpair failed 24 (Too many open files)

      Hope that helps

      • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

        Seems the issue is with the Mojo flag

  • Goen

    Heh, another update hardly someone would care, if there is any devs here interested about a decent Opera, this new browser who aims to clone Opera 12 is looking for ppl to help with translations and adding support for extensions of BOTH FIREFOX AND CHROME.

    http://otter-browser.org/

    • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

      Not a spot to post that

  • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

    For the built in PDF viewer have an option to see PDF details (PDF version etc)

  • https://vivaldi.net/unity/profile/chas4/6-blog Chas4

    A test PDF http://www.ncu.edu.tw/~ncu25352/Uploads/20131231103232738561744.pdf (it is a test PDF some of the info in it is well outdated) Opera 25 dev PDF viewer uses 111MB of memory

    • Lacedaemon

      Using 49-50 MB here (according to the internal Task Manager)

      • Vux777

        try to reload it couple of times…with every reload it gains ~6-10 Mb, and then hits the ceiling at 80 Mb…that’s how it is in my case

        while Sumatra uses 4 MB as plugin, and around 40Mb on tab, not allowing to pass over 45 Mb

        • FoolOfATook

          Reloaded it like 20 times. Barely a change. I think I saw like ~2MB?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Using around 40MB here.

    • FoolOfATook

      37.8MB. Win7x64

  • Rob Segal

    I would love if it were possible to remove a bookmark by clicking on the heart as is the case with speed dial.

    I Would also like to have the ability to expand and retract the size of the items when viewing bookmarks in list view, like stash. Actually, I’d love to have stash back.

    Also, when viewing bookmarks in list view, when I change folders, it switches back to the grid view every time. Is this intentional?

    Thanks for all the hard work!

    • Nekomajin43

      +1 for both!

    • plague

      +1 aswell

    • Alex

      This is something I only spotted today, but (as a temporary solution) you can remove a page from Bookmarks from right-click menu. Same with Speed Dial entries.

  • Alex

    Thank you for the PDF viewer integration and all that long list of fixes. Update went smoothly as usual.
    Hopefully the Chromium bug with the asian characters will be fixed soon as well so I can use it properly 🙂

    • Marcin Mitek

      Have you tried disabling DirectWrite in opera:flags? Some people responded in Chromium bug tracker that this worked for them.

      • Alex

        Thank you! This solves the problem. I can see now all the asian characters and fully use the latest build.

  • Data Keeper

    Finally!!!

    Thanks for fast turnaround!!

    This version work for me.

    Now Opera load pages normally when another program is running on PC and takes 100% CPU.

    • taneli

      Still doesn’t work for me when another program is having high CPU usage, the whole browser just dies 🙁
      O21 still working though so sticking with it.

      • Data Keeper

        It work for me without any freezings and the all sub-opera processes have normal process priority. Now I can browse when computer is overloaded with another process. The latest stable also works.

  • shane

    Any chance of being able to disable middle-click closing of tabs? It would be very useful to me as my laptop uses ‘trackpad zones’ for the middle mouse button and it’s very easy to accidentally middle click when trying to left click to change tabs. You can imagine how frustrating that can be, especially in private mode where there is no way to restore the tab.

    On that note – it would be useful to be able to restore closed tabs in private mode. At least until the session is closed.

  • shane

    If the offline installer fails (due to stupid group policy preventing the extracted install files running from /Temp), the error dialog gives the option to try the offline installer.

    Note that the current network and offline installers fail in corporate environments running ‘AppLocker’ (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-au/library/dd759117.aspx) due to the installer trying to run out of the ‘Temp’ directory.

    • Julien Picalausa

      Hey,

      This sounds odd to me, since our previous installer versions were also extracting to the temp folder and ran from there. Could there be some additional difference that triggers the blocking in correlation with starting from TEMP?

      • shane

        The previous installer didn’t work either. The ‘applocker’ policy prevents anything running from Temp. I have to manually extract the offline-installer into a directory which does allow executables. It would be good if the installer had an option to extract and run in-place instead of into temp.

        Chrome doesn’t have this issue, I am unsure how it’s auto updater works., however this may be due to applocker digital signature checks.

        • Julien Picalausa

          Ok, that makes sense then. I don’t know exactly what Chrome does on this, but they use an MSI installer, which might allow them to bypass AppLocker restrictions.

          I’ll see what I can do to fix the issue on our end.

        • Julien Picalausa

          Hey,

          Our developer build from yesterday contains a fix for this issue. If it cannot run files from the temp folder, it will attempt various fallbacks in this order:
          -A subfolder of the download folder
          -A subfolder of the profile folder
          -A subfolder of the folder from which the installer is being run

          The subfolder will always be named “Opera Installer”

          The last attempt should only ever fail if the installer needs administrator privileges for writing to the folder in which it is located. In such case, starting it with administrative privileges should do the trick.

          Let me know if this works for you 🙂

          • shane

            Just tried with the latest version (26.0.1655.0).

            The auto updating from within the browser failed, however the offline installer worked ok (I see it extracted into the folder it was run from, which allowed it to install ok). I ran it from the downloads folder (I have little choice where else to run it from).

            Chrome continues to auto update fine – but there might be exceptions in app-blocker for this, or it happens to download the updates into a folder which allows executables.

            Thanks for working on the problem.

  • myxelloss

    Well, I’m still unable to make my client certificate in Opera (while in the rest of browsers it works without trouble). Am I doing something wrong, or it’s an unfixed bug? I reported it as DNA-25265.

    • Arjan van Leeuwen

      It’s a feature that Opera currently doesn’t have. DNA-7353.

      • myxelloss

        Oh. Good to know that. I don’t know how is the priority to implement this feature, but until it is ready, I think that you should disable the client certificate management (it really leads to confusion have those options if you finally cannot use them) or, at least, show a warning to the user in that part of the options menu.

        Thank you for your work, the browser is really nice.

  • Philip

    Yay!

    Have been waiting for

    DNA-25428 [Linux] Alt+click opens menu on Alt key release

  • András Ács

    Thanks for the native look under Gnome 3 too, and the borderless maximized state! I really appreciate it.

    I see design tweaks for the tab bar with more candy and it looks nice. It appears though that the design goes in multiple directions, with the new start page embracing hard corners and flatness (which is nice IMO). Will the chrome (tab bar + etc) design follow this?

    I came to like the Opera button that it’s not on the navigation bar’s right as in every other browser now. Probably you are working on this but I would really like to see the menu’s vertical size slashed and the number of items reduced, as I usually spend a few seconds filtering out the noise when I open it. A Firefox-like approach would work well I think.

  • Kanbaru Suruga

    Animation in G+ has some display problems in this version, just the animations are broken when playing, and the mojo-channel will make all pages and settings be black in AMD GPU (not tested with NVIDIA), don’t enable this flag and if you enabled it, you can edit the “Local State” file in your profile folder, delete this flag and reopen your opera, it will be all OK again. And the new start page is very beautiful, I like it very much.

    • al_ghul

      i have similar problems with youtube bell icon with cloud-list of new messages/comments – it’s corrupted, doesn’t show content or is loading very slow with scrolling errors. some JS bug? problem occured after update to Opera dev ver. 25.0.1606.0 (win7/x64).

  • kapsi

    I don’t like this new heart button. I’m already used to the heart menu and stash.

    • L33t4opera

      Hi Kapsi, go to the address bar, and type opera://flags/#bookmarks, press enter, then select “Disabled” in the drop-down list, and restart the Opera. After that you will be able to use the old Heart menu, and Stash 😉

  • escruting

    This new pdf viewer has no “hand” tool to navigate the document, will this be added in the future?

    • Wando Schneider

      I Agree. It’s a handy feature 🙂

    • http://www.facebook.com/hector.maciasayala Hector Macias Ayala

      Another reason to use PDF.js instead.

  • rufu2

    Please make it possible to import bookmarks from an old *.adr file or just a html. I’m still using O12, and have OperaDeveloper as a USB install. When I switch to BlinkO, I want to keep it as an USB install, but I need to get my old bookmarks.

    • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

      Export from old Opera, import from Chrome, install Xmarks, import from new Opera.

      • rufu2

        Okay, thanks, that would be the last resort then. I’ve got no Chrome installed, wouldn’t really want to…

  • rufu2

    Random thing I noticed that’s still missing from old Opera (RTINTSMFOO) :
    The little dog-eared corner that showed that a tab that was opened in the background has not been read yet.

  • rufu2

    Another RTINTSMFOO:
    Left-click on active tab switches back to last used tab.
    Yeah, I know, there might be some add on for that – but if I have 10 addons that tweak tab handling, that will probably not work as nice as something integrated.

    • rufu2

      Actually, the developer of “Classic Tabs” writes on Github that it’s not possible with the Chropera API to check if a tab has been clicked. So this feature needs to be native, or the API needs to be extended.

    • taneli

      Been requesting this same thing for ages too, among other things 🙂

  • rufu2

    Ceterum Censeo…. please allow alternate default Searches. Just amend the list, add Duckduckgo, Ixquick, Startpage for the first batch. More, if enough people ask for more.

    • plague

      I wanna be able to, for example, change the language on the Wikipedia search engine. It’s set to Swedish for me, despite the the fact that I have an English Windows and all English applications, including Opera. Obviously, I have to have some locale settings be in Swedish, but I want my applications and search engines to be in English, as that’s the language I use 99.9999% on my computer.

      I know that I can add the English Wikipedia search engine myself, but I can’t use the ‘w’ keyword and I can’t make it default, thus negating the “advantage” of the feature.

      In old Opera, I could simply add a secondary, and third, search box beside the URL box on the toolbar. Quick and simple access to whatever search engine I decided should go there.

      It’s quite ridiculous that Opera thinks it knows best how and where I should do my searches.

  • Martin

    Anybody having wiggle dials going from mouse over to mouse off?
    It’s like the thumbnail is being stretched for a quick period, later resets.

    • rufu2

      Do you mean Speed Dials? I don’t see anything out of the ordinary (Win 7 x64, both new and old Speed Dial layout)

      • Martin

        Yes, with the new start page.

        • FoolOfATook

          Oh, that. I’ve actually noticed that in an online game that I play. Turns out I was zoomed in to 125%. Zooming it out solved it. Most likely not the case for you, just thought I’d share my experiences.

          • Martin

            Yes zooming from 100 to 110 in seems to fix it. Zooming in further however makes it reappear again.

          • FoolOfATook

            That’s curious. Wonder what happened there to make it be fine only when zoomed in.

        • rufu2

          Interesting. I don’t have that behavior.
          If it’s still there after the next update, maybe file a bug report?

  • rufu2

    After all my criticism, I still want to say thank you all for the good work so far. I think sometime in the future, Opera will again be the best browser.

  • rufu2

    Another ceterum censeo — sidebar, please 🙂

    • Piotr

      We have to wait until Google write this functionality, because Opera will not do this by themselves. Check the “new” Opera bookmarks and compare with this:) http://www.omgchrome.com/google-stars-is-new-chrome-bookmark-extension/

      I really hope I’m wrong, and we will get sidebar soon.

      • rufu2

        I saw that link in the 24 stable thread. Well, I don’t care much if it’s Google that writes it “first” (after old Opera, how many years ago?). I just want the panels back.

        • plague

          Me too

        • Piotr

          I don’t care much about this either, but after I saw Google Stars, I have lost my faith in Opera’s innovation. I need sidebar more than I need present bookmark manager. It would provide fastest way to start of all pages required by user.

      • plague

        That’s scary similar.
        Sure, the UI in the Bookmarks manager differs, but by as much as it may seem. All Bookmark previews are almost identical. The “Stars” button- and Operas “heart” button-functionality look almost identical.
        I really hope they aren’t simply following Google every step and just punt on a custom paint job.
        Opera used to be leading the pack.
        To be reduced to being a Google copy-machine is a serious step backwards.

        I really really hope that isn’t the case.

      • Lacedaemon

        what.. the… hell…

        Opera is dead :/

      • Cjcr

        How sad is this … Opera is more than dead.

      • zhnujm

        Google REMOVED the sidebar from chromium some time ago – so dont expect it to come back soon….

      • FoolOfATook

        Is it possible, that this STILL IS Opera’s code? Like, wholly Opera’s work. Since they are also contributing to the Chromium project. And that Google is actually the one that rebadged the feature from Opera?

  • aarghot

    How long I must wait for vertical tabs?

  • taneli

    Links, and more so the on hover effect is very bugged in this release too, some examples:

    http://anandtech.com/ (Hover around the right hand lists for example)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-xMmOOSQxo (In the Info click “Show More” and the links there are weirdly cut)

    And in numerous other places.
    Win8.1 x64

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Both seem ok here.

      • taneli

        Weird, i have broken on hovers in many places.
        1) The on hover simply won’t work 9 times out of 10
        2) The on hover effect gets stuck and won’t go away after you hover mouse out.
        3) It only shows the on hover effect on part of the link.

        • FoolOfATook

          Happens on Wikipedia and Disqus. Other places too, but just those for example.

  • taneli

    Can’t even read the comments on this Disqus thingie now on Developer, everything gets so distorded with the animations, other than that, the browser just dies when i work. Back to O21 :<
    Why is O21 the last version where i can use the browser, while i have a render going on, which uses a lot of CPU, every version after 21 has refused to work while having high CPU usage.
    (O21, latest Chrome, latest FireFox, latest Internet Explorer still works).

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Wich animations?

    • https://christoph142.wordpress.com/ Christoph142

      There’s an issue with process priorities. Should be gone soon 😉

      • taneli

        Thanks!

  • Didit A. Pamungkas

    with new startpage, discovery doesn’t work well, not showing any button/menu or feed. Linux

  • Biswarup Ray

    This (linux) release is damn good almost stable release. Congratulations 🙂

  • FoolOfATook

    Btw, what is DNA/CHR, and the asterisks? Probably a dumb question, but oh well.

    • L33t4opera

      Hi, if I’m not wrong, DNA means a case related to the Opera, CHR means a case related to Chromium/Chrome, and * == bugfix, which means, that the bug has been fixed.

      • FoolOfATook

        Thank you. Do you know what DNA stands for though? CHR = Chromium, but DNA? Also, wish they had this somewhere. It befuddles me that they don’t.

        • L33t4opera

          Hi, yes, DNA is just codename for Desktop – New Architecture 😉

  • Dmitry Kirin

    Thanks for the update! It’s cool that Opera has a built-in PDF viewer now. Printing works perfectly.

    When I choose Print from the main menu and then choose Microsoft XPS Document Writer, it asks for a file name to save into, as it should. That file save dialog is shown behind the Opera window. If the Print function is invoked from the context menu, the file save dialog is shown properly, getting the focus.
    Also, it would be good to set the default file name from the current page title. Now it’s set as *.xps and the user has to type. (I’m not sure if it’s the XPS Writer or Opera issue.)

  • Dmitry Kirin

    A small note on the UI:
    Clicking on the heart button of an already bookmarked button does not do anything except showing the same callout as when adding the page. On this page, the callout is even empty, with a gray bar for a page picture. As it has already been mentioned, it would be more intuitive if the heart removed the page from bookmarks in this case.

    The context menu has grown quite long. I suggest to make it expanded or collapsed similar to how advanced settings are shown or hidden on the Settings page. Options like Refresh frame or Inspect element could be hidden by default.

    And, as I’ve already written a number of times, showing keyboard shortcuts in the context menu would help users to discover and learn them for the most frequently used functions.

  • taneli

    Never mind it’s back.

  • Inquisitor

    The ‘Listen Live’ (purple Luister Live button) does not work in O25.

    http://www.radio4.nl/

    (Works fine in O24 and O12)

    • Arjan van Leeuwen

      I tried it and it seems to work fine. Check if you have ‘Click to Play’ or Turbo enabled, they might interfere here.

      • Inquisitor

        Turbo is off and all plug-ins are enabled and set to ‘automatic’ (recommended setting). ABP and Ghostery extensions are off. All the music samples on this site work fine, except the ‘Luister Live’.

  • Inquisitor

    And still more issues with O25 (*sigh*)

    O25 does not display images on this page (O24 works without fault)

    http://www.hbvl.be/cnt/dmf20140903_01248756/wanneer-wordt-uw-gemeente-van-het-elektriciteitsnet-afgekoppeld

    compare O12 and O25:

    • Leonardo Gomes

      No problems with images on that page here.

      Are you using any extension? Any software that could block content of a page? Images are enabled?

      • Inquisitor

        Thanks! It was Ghostery that blocked the images. Works fine now. 🙂

  • ArchEde

    I am using Opera on Arch Linux x64 with Gnome, and I really like it, especially since the latest improvement in UI integration.

    However, I found an issue with web fonts on http://www.sueddeutsche.de, see attached screenshot (I added Opera, same version on Windows, and Internet Explorer as comparison). It seems that the web font from the site’s css is not used. Is this a problem of my linux installation, or can somebody confirm this as an Opera bug?

    Screenshot: http://s7.directupload.net/images/140903/fh2avx3m.png

    • Arjan van Leeuwen

      Hi, this looks like the same font, just rendered differently – there’s no issue with fonts not being used. It’s hard to get Windows and Linux to render exactly the same (since they don’t use the same software to render the fonts), and font rendering tends to be very personal: there are no ‘right’ setttings. But it mostly looks like you are not happy with your hinting settings in Arch Linux. Try changing the hinting settings in gnome-tweak-tool (under ‘Fonts’, I think you would prefer ‘Full’) to get closer to Windows (restart Opera afterwards for the changes to take effect).

      Emulating the Windows font rendering also depends on your Windows version and font settings in Windows. More information about getting closer to Windows’ rendering can be found here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MS_fonts

      • ArchEde

        Thank you, looks better now

  • http://www.lalaurette.com.ar/ Sebastián Lalaurette

    This snapshot still has the serious issue of the “dead tabs”. Sometimes, when I type a search term or address and hit Alt+Enter, I get a blank tab. Even typing on the address bar in that tab won’t open any page whatsoever (not even as a background tab using Alt+Enter). I have to switch to another tab and repeat the process from there.

  • senna_4ever

    I see now we can choose where we can save our bookmarks (if some folder was created), but I noted a thing about the bookmarks manager: you cant create subfolders. I created one in one of the previous versions and now I cant selected that subfolder, only the main folder.

    And a suggestion: at left panel of bookmarks manager, you could drag and drop a folder on another one, creating a subfolder.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      You can do it at “My Folders”

  • Ra-Mon

    Unable to open pdf files from local Windows 7 filesystem (file:///X:/path/to/file.pdf)…
    Can you confirm ?

    • ArchEde

      Can’t confirm on Win 8.1

  • Leonardo Gomes

    This build has…gone. 🙂

    • L33t4opera

      Hi Leo, don’t worry it seems that it was temporary issue, it’s back again 🙂

    • taneli

      It’s been vanishing every now and then from the FTP :p

      • L33t4opera

        Hi, 25.0.1613.1 is comming 😉

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Where is it?

          • L33t4opera

            It seems, that for now, there’s only the change log 😉

          • L33t4opera

            The change log has been removed, so apparently something went wrong. Now we can only wait for the next build, having a foretaste of what it can probably contain 😉

          • taneli

            Probably nothing too big, if their plan was to move 25 to beta next week (as was said on this thread), sooo, wild guess would be bug fixes only mostly ;p

          • NoName

            It contained something with 64bit, and on Mac there was something with a tab menu.

          • Lacedaemon

            yes, it contained “Autoupdate is not working properly for 64bit Opera”, so that might also be one of the reasons for the pull back.

          • L33t4opera

            Yep, “DNA-25812 [Mac] Tab menu – Initial version”.

          • L33t4opera

            It included 63 fixes, and 41 other changes, which is quite impressive imho. Would be nice to see soon e.g. this fix: “* DNA-25286 [Win][Linux] Switching tabs focuses the addressfield” 😉

        • Lacedaemon
          • L33t4opera

            The change log has been restored also, and “mac-goes-64-bits” sounds quite promising 😉

          • Lacedaemon

            It surely provokes my envy 🙂

  • Corian Spirit

    I have been using Opera for development purposes. The speed dial is nice. The new Opera 25 is better. However, there is a bug that is still persistent even before Opera 25. The horizontal scroll using mouse still does not work when launched using javascript. e.d windows.open(). If you are a tester, please test it and let the programming team knows.

  • Corian Spirit

    I have been using Opera in developing my web-based programs. I like the speed dial and web developer tools. But, there is a bug that is still persistent . The horizontal scroll using mouse still does not work if you open a popup window using javascript’s window.open(). This bug has been there for years ?

  • Corian Spirit

    How to import my speed dials from Opera 24 to 25 ?

    • Vux777

      copy favorites.db from profile folder…

      • Corian Spirit

        thanks but where can I find this favorite.db in Win7 ? I tried file manager, file search, etc. Then copy to where ?

        • FoolOfATook

          How are you a developer? lol

          C:UsersAppDataRoamingOpera SoftwareOpera Developerfavorites.db

          • Corian Spirit

            @FoolOfATool .Thanks but I already found it. Yes I am a developer. I may not be as good as you but I am willing to learn. Thanks for the heads up

          • Vux777

            for any other cases if someone can’t find profile folder
            the most easiest way to find it, is to click on Opera button>>About Opera
            there are paths for profile, install dir, cache

          • Corian Spirit

            @Vux777:disqus Thanks it is helpul indeed.

          • Vux777

            yw

          • FoolOfATook

            Nice… Freudian slip there? If that’s how it’s used. Which I don’t think it is. I’m not a developer though. Just a geek 😛
            Well, I’ve programmed on my TI-84, if that counts 😛

            Also, going to “About Opera” or a similar place in other software can lead you to the right place. But I prefer to just look for it myself in

            C:Program Files
            C:ProgramData
            C:UsersAppData

            Because there’s only a couple of places it could be with Windows. Sometimes programs store stuff in

            C:UsersMy Documents

            This way you don’t have to be reliant on having it listed in the program. Although it honestly probably doesn’t really matter.

            ~Took

          • Corian Spirit

            @FoolOfATook:disqus . Thanks for the reply and info. Before, I ‘ve tried many places including using windows search but was unsuccessful. That is why I ask. As you see there is always someone like you who will have the answer that I am looking for. Have a nice day.

  • Corian Spirit

    Horizontal scrolling using mouse in Opera 25 developer is still not working if launched using javascript window.open()

  • marwerno

    There is one problem with the approach “only if there are no plug-ins installed we use the internal viewer”:
    I do not have a plug in. I do NOT want my PDF inside a browser. I want to open them in a separate app so I can view or save them (sometimes later) and don’t want to leave the current page.
    Because of my setting(/no plug-in), the internal viewer is automatically activated.
    Next problem: I can disable the internal viewer via the “flags” page, but this will somehow activate the “show PDF in broswer” in Adobe.
    Now I go to Adobe reader: There is no tick inside the box “show inside browser”…
    So somehow the PDF are opened inside the browser, but not tickbox in Adobe settings… Now I am stuck… (And BTW: I do not even use the Adobe, I mostly use the Foxit reader, but need Adobe for display of embedded CAD drawings.)
    I like the approach like you have done on the new Thumbnails page:
    Give the user the option to accept the new feature or decline it. But do not force them to use it. Now I have to worry with every update that there is a new feature that I will need to search how to disable it if I do not like it…

    • luator

      Totally agree. I also don’t like this “open pdf in browser”-thing. Please provide an option to just open the pdf in an external pdf-viewer (just like in the good old time…)