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  • nanana1

    Thanks, Kudła, for this new Opera Developer Build 1558.17 that comes with only a few changes, likely preparing to move it to Opera Next version. 😉

  • Vux777

    flag “Coast-like Speed Dial images” doesn’t work
    I also have “Experimental start page” enabled

    SD thumbs are usual site previews

    • The Coast-like Speed Dials flag is going away. The functionality will be part of the experimental start-page and not offered separately.

      • Lacedaemon

        Nooooo! plz change that only if you will definitely improve it!

        Example http://s30.postimg.org/oevbngcch/Capture.png

        • That doesn’t have anything to do with Coast-like things. That happens because Speed Dial is an internal page, just like flags, settings, etc. So extensions don’t have an effect there, at least not ad-blockers.

          BTW, try Coast-like for this blog.

          • Lacedaemon

            You didn’t get it, the above row is the icons you get from the down row after you reload them using the “coast like SD images” flag. Which is looking better in your opinion? The fact that the SD shows even the ads makes my argument even stronger.

          • So far your only option is to enable Coast and reload those that look ok. Then go back to normal and reload the rest.

          • Lacedaemon

            Yep, that’s what you see there.

      • Vux777

        I just realized that I need to manually reload each of them for coast-like dials to show

      • LoverOfLife

        What is experimental start-page in flags ? What means this option ?

  • Dave-H

    It’s still all being displayed too large at 100% zoom, UI and websites!
    Firefox has the same problem now as well, for the same reason, but there is a configuration setting you can change to put it back to normal.
    Any chance of this in Opera sometime soon please?
    🙂

    • Inquisitor

      “It’s still all being displayed too large at 100% zoom, UI and websites!” Confirmed.
      Would love to see it corrected soon.

      • Inquisitor

        Example: look how much bigger the bars are in O24 (right hand), as compared to O12 (left hand) at the same zoom level:

        • Why is not your titlebar blue in O24? Am I missing something?

          • Rafael Luik

            Win7 Aero transparency. 😛

          • Inquisitor

            The O24 bars are always gray, whatever theme I use. I have no idea if or how I can change the color of the bars, like in O12.

    • Guest

      It’s being looked at.
      It’s DNA-20507 for reference 😉

      • Dave-H

        Thanks, that’s good to know!
        🙂

  • Inquisitor

    Speed Dial extensions now correct. 🙂

  • II_ARROWS

    My Opera dev doesn’t update…

    • Lacedaemon

      Same here it only updated when I clicked on “About Opera”. .

      • Dave-H

        It’s not a USB install is it?
        They don’t auto update as far as I’m aware, mine doesn’t.

        • Lacedaemon

          No, it’s both an offline package install and a net one. (desktop and laptop).

          Also it is supposed to silently auto-update see here:
          http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2014/04/opera-developer-22-now-easier-update-ever/
          http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2014/06/opera-22-windows-mac-released-today-new-themes-silent-updates/

          • Dave-H

            Assuming you’re on Windows, do you have an Opera update task in the Windows Task Scheduler?

          • Lacedaemon

            Yes I was just checking this because in that post it was stated that the task is not created when someone installs for the “Current User” to a folder requiring administrative privileges, which is not the case here. Indeed there is the task there and it is being triggered daily at 8:29 pm or at log on so maybe that explains it. I was expecting the autoupdate to kick in earlier and not at 8:29 pm. Next time I will wait ’til then before clicking on “About Opera” to see if it will work, or I will alter the time to an earlier point 🙂

    • Opera has a history of pathetic auto-update implementations. It’s never been reliable.

  • Ralf Brinkmann
  • Sause

    When I’m downloading a movie I’m watching it while it’s downloading so I need to know exact remaining time, but in Opera it show only one unit, like “1 hour left”, I would be nice if it shows hours and minutes like “1 hour and 21 minutes left”.

    • The thing is, we have no idea how long it will take to complete the task. One hour is a rough estimate. There are so many factors that can influence the complete time required. Varying bandwidth speeds and conditions being the main concern. Your antivirus updating or you sneezing could be enough to vibrate the hard drive and make the write speed plummet.

      http://xkcd.com/612/

    • We have no idea how long it will take to complete the task. One hour is a rough estimate. There are so many factors that can influence the complete time required. Varying bandwidth speeds and conditions being the main concern. Your antivirus updating or you sneezing could be enough to vibrate the hard drive and make the write speed plummet.

      http://xkcd.com/612/

      • NoName

        The Windows file copy is/was bad because of the diffrence in filesizes of the files you copied, as each file has overhead. This is still an issue as of today.

        But when downloading a file in a browser, you only download a single file. In >95% of the cases I download stuff, it’s at a steady speed. Either capping my connection, or the servers.

        Saying “1 hour” can span from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, creating a span of 1 hour. That’s 100% of the suggested timing!

        With your argument, you should not be suggesting anything at all, because it’s not perfect.

        • Lacedaemon

          That’s very correct, comparing the Windows copy behavior to this one is really unfortunate. Sorry Daniel 🙂

          • You intended to say “Daniel”… O:) ^^

          • Lacedaemon

            Haha I corrected it 15 seconds after, you are fast !

          • I usually am, yes O:)

        • Ricardo J. Barberis

          Lucky you, in other parts of the world our internet connections are not steady at all.

          In my case it’s 3G, but telcos and cable providers are not much better 🙁

          • NoName

            I feel for you 🙁

            But I still find it useful for guys like you. Read my response to Daniels new post:
            http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2014/07/polishing-up-opera/#comment-1503591733

          • Ricardo J. Barberis

            Of course it’s useful, I wasn’t arguing against showing more accurate timing, sorry I wasn’t clear on that point.

            It’s just that I’m personally not too concerned about very accurate timing but more on current speed reported.

            But I’m a techie guy, most people probably woud prefer an estimated time remaining (ETR) as you propose in your response to Daniel.

            The problem there, I guess, is how often to recalculate the ETR and when to consider the transfer stalled instead of continually decreasing the speed and increasing the ETR (that’s a problem in Opera 12.x and earlier versions).

          • NoName

            Sorry about that 🙂

            That’s true. I myself prefer to see a fairly new average value, for the last few seconds or so. But on the other hand, that could make the ETR value a roller coaster ride on unstable transfers.

            Windows file copy in Win8 is covering it pretty good, with a graph containing speed over time.
            Their ETA is still “bad”, but with the graph, it now makes sense. And they kept the precision on the ETA.
            That’s how MS fixed it 🙂

        • > In >95% of the cases I download stuff, it’s at a steady speed.

          This statement is not at all correct. Sorry, but transfer speeds are not at all stable. The situation is better in industrialized countries, but that excludes a huge chunk of the Internet’s population. Stand more than a few meters away from a wifi access point and even the local network speed will fluctuate as well. The load on your computer when in use is not stable over the period of over an hour.

          > With your argument, you should not be suggesting anything at all, because it’s not perfect.

          Personally, I would never use time estimates. I would have preferred to emphasize how many percentage remaining and the current speed of progress (transfer speeds and write operations).

          A more useful indicator could be how likely the download is to complete before your laptop runs out of power. That is actionable data.

          I have just spent two hours waiting for the “8 minutes remaining” in the Mac 10.10 beta install.

          • NoName

            Thanks for the reply.

            > This statement is not at all correct. Sorry, but transfer speeds are not at all stable.

            I was talking about my own experience. You are right that there are a lot of people with way more unstable connections. But I still can’t see why it’s a bad idea to show more. Read my next answer below, as to why I think that.

            > Personally, I would never use time estimates. I would have preferred to emphasize how many percentage remaining and the current speed of progress

            Yea, I do that too. But it’s quicker to do, with a precise timing (with the current speed) and the current speed. You can then multiply these numbers up or down as you like.

            If you had exact timing of let’s say 62min, you know that if the transfer speed doubles, the timing goes down to 31min.
            Currently, this would keep saying “1 hour”. It’s misleading. And that’s under unstable transfer speeds.

          • Rinne Tensei

            Can you Opera Dev_s make an option to prefer HTML5 over adobe flash for video sites so that browser uses HTML5 automatically whenever a youtube/other video is found on a page? ?

  • Sause

    When I’m downloading a movie I’m watching it while it’s downloading so I need to know exact remaining time, but in Opera it show only one unit, like “1 hour left”, I would be nice if it shows hours and minutes like “1 hour and 21 minutes left”.

  • Lacedaemon

    When are we going to see Shift+Click on SD Folders opening in a new window? (like SD items)

    As it is right now you need 5 actions to open and close a folder, compared to 2 actions in opening in a new window.

  • Lacedaemon

    When are we going to see Shift+Click on SD Folders opening in a new window? (like SD items)

    As it is right now you need 5 actions to open and close a folder, compared to 2 actions in opening in a new window.

  • SQL

    Gonna report this bug here, it’s very easy to reproduce so not gonna bother filing a report for it. This happens with O23, open https://operasoftware.github.io/upstreamtools/#blink

    And click for example “Oilpan: move 2D Canvas and WebGL objects to the heap.” by sigbjornf (So that you will see more info)

    For me the page displays like crazy (Here’s a screenshot of that https://i.imgur.com/5lueYrM.png )

    I haven’t tested this more, Win7x64, I have DirectWrite enabled (Don’t know if there’s any else flag potentially causing this)

    • Marcin Mitek

      I have totally different font there. Same result for DirectWrite on/off here (but I’m on Win 8.1)

      • SQL

        Not talking about font, mostly just the fact that the text displays differently (Here’s a screenshot of what the page should look like https://i.imgur.com/ZFVhnUV.png )

        By comparing those two images you see that the bugged one kinda increases it’s width or something and the timestamps display incorrectly.

      • SQL

        Ok, maybe this approach is more informative: This is how most of the commits look like when opening the info. https://i.imgur.com/NoP8VVM.png
        Only some (Move 2D Canvas and WebGL..) and “Oilpan: tidy up transition type usage after r178508.” cause the page to display incorrectly.

  • AS

    Hi I report bug with marking text:

    1. You don’t fix marked a lot of text, is badly marking a lot of text, you understand?

    Marked text in Opera 12

    http://img31.otofotki.pl/obrazki/um853_opera12.png

    Marked text in Opera 23/24

    http://img31.otofotki.pl/obrazki/px787_opera23.png

    When you finally clean it up? How can ignore such a little problem? You have a problem with fix it?

    • SQL

      We already explained this to you yesterday, this isn’t leading anywhere..

      You should rather try bumping this issue than spamming Opera’s blog. https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=12269

      • AS

        Okay, perhaps I will write there and man I’m not spamming. For me it’s strange, that people from the Opera have a Chromium engine and cannot or aren’t able to correct a bug which people from Chromium created. It’s all.

        • SQL

          The bug is inherited from WebKit era. You can try to get some Opera guys to fix it but it really seems useless.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Sorry but mentioning your pet bug on every single post on this forum will not help fixing it faster and is not much different from spamming.

          Report it once and wait for the fix. If necessary, remember it after sometime but not everytime.

          And, as said, it’s a Chromium issue and should be fixed by them.

  • In the last post your workmate Zhenis Beisekov said Opera for Lnux will remain in the Dev channel, implying it would not be included in Next, can you confirm?

    • Like any new feature, Linux will go through the stabilization process (Next then Stable) when it it is ready.

      • So it is not ready to enter a stabilization process yet? Is not that the point of the Next channel?

        • Next is the stabilization process. Features enter stabilization after reaching a certain quality level.

          • Ok, so no O24 Next for Linux, but I guess at least O25 will still be available.

      • SQL

        This isn’t very clear. Zhenis stated that Linux will stay in Developer. You say it will just go through the normal stabilization process.

        • —when its ready.

          • ooblv

            ever been in the elementary OS community?
            this “when it’s ready” looks so elementarian. lol
            I personally agree with releasing it when it’s ready btw, no point of moving it to Next if it still miss things.

          • No, I hang with the Debian/GNOME folks. 😉 Regardless, when it is ready is the development model we use at Opera.

          • ooblv

            umh…GNOME —–> headerbars lol
            (elementary also has headerbars).
            Someone already posted more than once about Opera in the elementary OS community.
            It’s fastly becoming popular as distro, lot of people already use it and when the next release will be out I’m sure user number will grow alot.
            The new Opera looks promising, if you make it look better than Chrome, that even if it supports system colors it’s not that good, I’m sure people will use it.

    • Veger

      Why are people so focused on Linux going to Next or Stable??
      Linux support is available in Developer and it works very good (for me at least), so just be happy: it does not matter in what channel it is..! 🙂

      • You go back to july 2013 and read what Next and Stable mean. I was using the stable version until Speed Dial started giving me problems. Now I have to work with a dev build until it reaches Stable again, as Next and Stable don’t offer a proper solution, which comes in the form of Bookmarks Manager, and that is on Windows

        In Linux I didn’t have a choice, was just hoping I could finally leave Dev channel behind and jump to something more reliable and stable, I’ll just wait it reaches stable, or use Firefox in the meanwhile, I never gave FF Sync a chance, maybe it’s good, but I won’t work with unstable things.

        • Veger

          I know what the differences between the channels mean, but just moving an Opera version from the developer channel to the next channel (or stable) does not mean that it is suddenly (more) stable.
          Therefore, it does not really matter in what channel O24 (with Linux support) currently is, it matters more that instabilities are addressed and fixed.

          • Next means stabilization, of course it does matter, maybe it’s been flawless in the sites you use, but it’s mean to be used worldwide, and has to be good in ALL SITES.

  • Vux777
    • Lacedaemon

      I really hope so cause in it’s current form it is not helping that much. You can’t do anything with it, this is more useful in a smartphone than a PC to say the truth…

      • Rafael Luik

        No, smartphone users don’t like mess either. Hm!

        • Vux777

          well, they are so smart…no? 🙂

        • Lacedaemon

          Yeah what I meant was that the idea of temporarily saving an interesting find for checking it later is more suitable to a smartphone, (because of the limitations in screen space and options) while in a PC desktop environment, people like me and others are using it for bookmarking. That’s why the upcoming slick bookmark manager will be awesome and it will totally replace Stash – or people will be using it “the right way” like in smartphones, temporarily saving 2-3 items and then deleting them.

      • Vux777

        looks great, works great, but… functionality kinda sucks
        someone commented here: ” stash page once, and never look at it again”
        that’s how it is in my case…tons of stashed pages that I need to organize (how?! ๏̯͡๏ ),
        just to lazy to dig through it 🙂

        • Rafael Luik

          You don’t organize it, you use the search field. I think everyone got Stash wrong or is trying to use it as bookmarks replacement… It isn’t.

          • Vux777

            yea, but I don’t know what is in there….some stupid things that I’ve stashed just like that and useful stuff…and I hate search feature in general (when I need to type …ughhh)

          • bwat47

            This workflow would be a lot better if:

            1. If the search field was automatically focused when entering the stash. currently when you open the stash, you have to actually click the searchfield to search the stash, which is really annoying. You should be able to just start typing.

            2. There needs to be be a keyboard shortcut to open stash.

          • Lacedaemon

            Indeed I’m saying the same 2 things all the time, the cursor goes automatically to the searchfield EVERYWHERE in Opera except for Stash, which is so much more often used than the others. How bizarre is that…

          • cgebhard

            Indeed, these two things would be a huge improvement for stash.

    • Leonardo Gomes

      I don’t have that folder here.

    • Herr Pietrus

      Oh no! The should definitely leave stash even after giving us advanced bookmarks manager (and VERTICAL bookmarks menu instead of stupid bar! :)) It’s really handy if you need save something temporarily. and don’t make a mess in your bookmarks or keep the card pinned.

  • Philip

    fixed all three of my pet bugs. thanks!

    • Marcin Mitek

      You are welcome 🙂

  • I’m trying to set BM Manager as deafult page, because of the problems I now have with Speed Dial, too freaking laggy, so I’m gonna get rid of all the SD entries and migrate all to BM Manager.

    I know it’s experimental, but I’m noticing this, you can’t move BM Bar entries to other BM Manager folders because it MOVES instead of copying them, which renders BM Manager folders useless, as you have already created BM Bar folders. The thing is you go to BM Bar, choose the list view mode, close and open Opera again, you get the default view, not what you chose. Look at it.

    • I should be getting this.

      • Marcin Mitek

        I passed this to the team involved in Bookmarks developement.

    • The whole manager is very experimental at this stage.

    • Herr Pietrus

      If they are no planning adding some kind of vertical bookmarks list under main tab button perhaps it’s the way to give us fast access to the most important bookmakers via address bar and without duplicating them in manager? But… Speed Dial, adddress bar, manager – it looks like a bit too much thing for one browser… on the other hand it gives us a choice.

      Perhaps they should only give us fast and simple way to open and close bookmarks bar and manage bookmarks via manager, or replace bookmarks bar via vertical menu…

      I think is very important problem to solve. manager itself looks well and it needs only a lot of work to polish it

  • Hurraaa! On my Windows7 is patched the GUI changing problem! 🙂

    • João Gonçalves

      Mine is sort of fixed. It’s still there, but hardly noticeable.

  • Camelot

    »DNA-23530 PDFium PDF viewer should not be available in Opera 24«

    Where is libpdf.so of PDFium? Google Chrome was installed libpdf.so.

    Opera without libpdf.so = no PDFium…

  • Vux777

    someone from devs:
    I guess this one DNA-21193 will stay that way?

    …css can’t be injected into javascript created iframes

    • forget about it. I just realized that it was you who reported it ^^
      But since you know that it’s a Chromium issue, you can track its progress…

      • Vux777

        hahahah…I’m reading email notification and thinking “is he joking with me or serious”
        🙂
        (I can’t see comment edits in email)…

        about bug…yea, but is seams that is intended…some usual chromium security bs
        so maybe someone from devs knows more about it

        • I expected you to read the email first. That’s why I reacted to it editing it ^^
          As far as I understand, injection in dynamically generated iframes is work in progress.
          It used to inject CSS, but lacked the possibility to inject JS.
          They are trying to fix this / add JS injection to it, but broke it completely doing so ^^

          • Vux777

            damn those lazy devs/geeks/whatever….
            they always screw something 🙂

    • SQL

      You can’t use divs instead of iframes (which are about to get deprecated anyways?)

      • Vux777

        ofc I can… I can style div from JS, but not from injected CSS…
        btw, what will be deprecated?…iFrames?

        • SQL

          Yeah, from what i’ve heard Chromium will drop iFrame support at some point.

          And what I meant was that why aren’t you using divs instead of iframes in your project?

          • Vux777

            oohhh, well iFrames have their advantages
            but I seriously doubt that they will be deprecated. Half of web will get screwed…

            this chat (disqus) is iframe..

  • herrschildkroete

    PDF-Reader is not really available… 😉 Print button and download button is still disabled. Using the viewer makes appetite for more. The dark line which occurs with new start of computer and browser is furthermore visible (see too my comment before). Surprisingly, I found a new bookmark manager here – oops star in address field. I’m impressed of this tool. What I have not found is an export function save my bookmarks in html. But it seems me this Opera Browser based on chromium will be a great throw so far it is finished. Naturally for x64 as is trend in time.

    • Not confirmed about downloading. I can download my PDF files.

      • herrschildkroete

        Yes, it is right. I see via mouse context menu. But via pop up bar on the reader-page-ground it is not.

    • Marcin Mitek

      As for PDF viewer – developement will continue on Developer channel.

  • zakius

    configurable gestures, newsreader and mail client? no? then no changes at all

    • Leonardo Gomes

      There won’t be any newsreader and/or mail client. Not in a near future at least.

      • taneli

        Those are (mostly, somewhat) available via extensions… out of curiosity, since i haven’t really checked in on the extension development and the API’s, is it possible to make a POP/IMAP mail extension currently? Since all i see are those that use gmail or other mail site cookies, so guessing they just parse the pages themselves.

      • zakius

        there won’t be future without core features… well, news reader is available as extension, and works pretty fine (but native code straight from devs is better…), absolutely no mail client for chromium based browsers, no properly working configurable gestures (and default set is… well, it open new tab every time I want to close one…)

        • Leonardo Gomes

          Well, Opera Presto was practically the last browser with an email client; and we didn’t have many others.

          As people nowadays are using email clients less and less, i think that coding an integrated email client wouldn’t be something worthwhile.

          • zakius

            well, without integrated mail client I wouldn’t know about your replies for example… I know that many people use email just to register on websites (and I personally use webclient to send mails) but something that allows me to read incoming mails in comfortable way (like prestopera did, or firefox’ simple mail does) is really important
            but again: native code coming from browser devs that PROBABLY won’t be dropped vs extensions and having hope, that their authors won’t drop them (or changes in browser’s API wont break them to unfixable state)
            really, you guys should release OPERA asap, and rename this thing you’re doing now to stop shaming that name

          • Rafael Luik

            without integrated mail client I wouldn’t know about your replies

            I would, my web-mail sits as one of the first tabs opened in the browser window. Notifications support for webpages is being implemented as you can see in the flags.

          • zakius

            yeah, having 4 webmails open is great idea…
            and if you take in count that I used to use mail account without modern web client… you know, often business or edu mails use squirrelmail or sth like that as web client

          • Rafael Luik

            Outlook.com, GMail, and if I remember correctly even Yahoo! lets you configure your account to receive and send e-mail from other accounts using their web-mail and apps.

            What’s the issue with non-integrated e-mail clients anyway?

          • zakius

            you have to remember to run them when needed and close when not needed
            only thing that should bother me if browser is closed is my instant messenger (at least as long as no game is running), mails can wait

            sending and receiving from other accounts makes huge mess, I tried using two gmail accounts like that… it was terrible

          • zakius

            when I start my browser it means I have time to deal with mails
            If my browser is closed it means only really important things should bother me, and for these I have IM and phone
            also, I’d have to remember to launch and close mail client everytime

  • 153136

    when is next updates to 24?

    • Any time now.

      • SQL

        Literally checking every 5 minutes 😉

        Btw how long do you have people in your offices working? Until 14:00? 16:00? 18:00? I’ve always wondered.

        • Marcin Mitek

          That depends. We don’t have strict working hours, some people are responding to you from home after hours, some are staying late because they arrived late. We could make some blog post about the other side of Desktop Team, not just build and builds, but I don’t know if anyone is interested in it. Or some Google Hangouts.

    • Technically this already IS a Next-build just in Dev channel ^^

  • Mike Robinson

    Java plugin is not working with Chrome/Chromium/Opera on Linux, but it is with Firefox. Also, Opera suffers from the same ridiculous scrollbar behaviour as Chrome where if the mouse moves too far from the scrollbar while scrolling, it pops back to the original position. It would be nice if these could be fixed. When scrolling all the way to the top or bottom, I like to just grab the scroll bar and move my mouse down to the screen edge as fast as possible. This is no longer possible with Chrome/Opera.

    • Arjan van Leeuwen

      Chrome and Opera on Linux don’t support NPAPI plugin, so Java won’t work unless Oracle releases a PPAPI plugin for Java.

      Can you file a bug for the scrollbar behavior? Bugs can be filed here: https://bugs.opera.com/wizarddesktop/

      • RX-3200

        AFAIR Oracle have no plans to release PPAPI plugin for Java at all …
        or you have another info ?

      • Mike Robinson

        Arjan, thank you for your reply. I did some searching around yesterday and finally found this bug (https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=388322) which is what I was talking about here and it has apparently been fixed in Chromium 38. I am assuming a bug report with Opera is no longer necessary. Correct me if I’m wrong.

        And the Chromium decision to drop support for NPAPI plugins is unfortunate, but I thought Opera could override it somehow or include some legacy code from older Chromium versions. I guess it would be too much work.

      • Mike Robinson

        Arjan, thank you for your reply. I did some searching around yesterday and finally found this bug (https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=388322) which is what I was talking about here and it has apparently been fixed in Chromium 38. I am assuming a bug report with Opera is no longer necessary. Correct me if I’m wrong.

        And the Chromium decision to drop support for NPAPI plugins is unfortunate, but I thought Opera could override it somehow or include some legacy code from older Chromium versions. I guess it would be too much work.

      • Mike Robinson

        OK for some reason I can’t see my replies to delete one.

  • herrschildkroete

    I tinkering with the new awesome bookmark manager. And I am consider whether this is an inconsistent in design. The background picture of the bookmark manager changes not if you change the background theme of Speed Dial. But, perhaps, have not to do. The background picture of the new bookmark manager is sophisticate too. Second, Opera Desktop page takes a strange behaviour by selecting on. Hmm, it’s like mumble or crumple and now the full page layout. But it lets not reproduce every time. I saw this behaviour twice at start of the browser.

    • Rafael Luik

      The bookmarks manager is still under early development, I bet they’ll make it use your theme in the future.
      I can’t understand the second issue.

      • herrschildkroete

        Sorry, second notice found its solution. If you select the link “comments” from the main page on the developer blog the page changes and all subjects (comments) are threaded. This makes a short crumble effect. I tested this with IE 11, here the page change has embedded a more elegant course. It underline the longer process till all comments displayed with a wheel symbol or so. For Opera Browser a rotating Opera logo will maybe proper. 🙂 My (second) notice was obviously a side effect comment and has minor meaning for my attempt to contribute to the test of vers. 24 here.

        • herrschildkroete

          So far I see two hours later the aesthetic arrow-wheel (call sign or rest sign) occurs on Opera 23 but not in Opera 24 (and not in Firefox).

          • herrschildkroete

            From my end-user standpoint I think the animation symbol for wait a bit is necessary for the feeling I’m reading and not I am Computer Power User.

  • sadie elmsworth

    why on earth did you get rid of speed dial icon? unbelievable

  • Edmárcio Santos

    I’m having trouble to install it on RHEL 6.5… when I run the opera-developer it shows to me:

    opera-developer: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14′ not found (required by opera-developer)
    opera-developer: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15′ not found (required by opera-developer)
    opera-developer: /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15′ not found (required by opera-developer)
    opera-developer: /lib64/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14′ not found (required by /usr/lib64/opera-developer/lib/libcrypto.so.1.0.0)

    • Arjan van Leeuwen

      We currently only support systems with a runtime environment equivalent to Ubuntu Precise or newer. This means that the version of libc on RHEL 6.5 is too old for us. If you want to use RHEL with Opera, you’ll have to upgrade to RHEL 7.

      • Edmárcio Santos

        It will take some months or years to migrate to RHEL 7… so after all the waiting… no Opera for me.
        Thanks.

  • Frenzie

    I don’t think there’s a setting (?), but I’m glad to see this release comes with native window decorations.

  • SQL

    @Marcin Mitek and other Opera guys who might be interested, I finally managed to get some video of the mysterious “Opera window not getting correctly focused” bug that seems to happen very randomly – hopefully this video is a bit more understandable than all the reports of this bug – Sorry for the video quality – I had to record the video with my phone since the bug doesn’t like screen recorders. In this video you can see how trying to focus the Opera window doesn’t work, the other applications will just stay on top of that window unfocused. At the end you can see how after a good while of clicking between the windows the bug finally disappears, but it’ll come back a while after that.

    This is a link to the video, hopefully Dropbox is ok for you 🙂 https://www.dropbox.com/s/3afor2pn8ulmvcc/20140724_220117.mp4

    Win7x64, I’ll happily answer more questions if there are any.

    • taneli

      Apparently they knew what the bug was and how it behaves… just not where it comes from (taken from their reply to my comment about the same bug: http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2014/07/opera-developer-24-changes-tab-preview-html5-h-264-video-support/#comment-1474416985), thanks for the video, though, i only drew them a pic. 🙂
      Really, very random, very. Damned hard to reproduce.

      • SQL

        Yeah, but as Marcin said: It hasn’t occurred to him yet. Sometimes seeing how the bug behaves really helps understanding the whole situation, words aren’t always enough.

    • NoName

      Thanks for creating a video of it. Mine is exactly the same.
      I never had mine to fix itself by opening a new tab though. I always have to reopen Opera.

      Well, maybe because I stopped trying, as this is a quite an old bug now 🙂

      • SQL

        It didn’t fix itself when i opened a new tab; The bug disappeared as i pressed the link (Polishing up Opera Dev..) since the bug usually disappears after a good amount of clicking, that just happened to happen at the same time.

    • 1111

      I’ve had it happen most often when closing a tab with an active plugin such as Flash.

      • cgebhard

        Yes, I’ve had the same after closing a tab with a plugin (flash or silverlight).

    • Marcin Mitek

      Awesome! Big thanks, now I’ll try to reproduce it.

  • One of these browser STILL DOES NOT support Smooth Scrolling on Linux:

    -Chrome.
    -Firefox.
    -Opera.
    -Maxthon.

    Can you guess?

    • Also one of the above STILL CAN’T SYNC.
      One of the above DOES NOT OFFER bookmarks management.

      And finally one of the above IS NOT BASED ON CHROME (different answer here).

    • bwat47

      From that list its actually two, chrome and opera. Lack of smooth scrolling on windows and linux is a chromium issue not an opera specific issue. This is the relevant bug: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=575

      It looks like they are currently in the process of re-implementing smooth scrolling on the compositor thread, so hopefully we see it soon.

      • And I said “on Linux”.

        • bwat47

          afaik, the only ‘linux’ where chrome has proper smooth scrolling on atm is chromeos and android… The bug report I linked is relevant to the windows and linux version.

          Is your distro using an older build that still has the old smooth scrolling flag?

          • Latest version of Chrome in Linux I see Smooth Scrolling, I don’t care if it the old or the new flag.

  • taneli

    Heavy CPU usage with HW Acceleration on still renders the browser completely unusable, takes minutes to move a mouse over a link, and that is what i would like to do, when i’m letting the machine do the work and i get a bit of time to check out other things. (O21 still works fine under heavy CPU load with HW acceleration on).
    And i recularily use pages that have webGL on them (can’t use without HW acceleration). I can’t be arsed to switch that one setting around 20+ times a day and always restart the browser.
    Something happened with the Aura update after O21, that is not working very well.

  • Licaon_Kter

    [Linux] Any reason fonts are not applying?

    • Arjan van Leeuwen

      Can you clarify what you mean by ‘fonts not applying’?

      • Licaon_Kter

        I set up different fonts yet those fonts are not used anywere in Opera.

      • Licaon_Kter

        Select font for each and every options, say Lucida Console, press Done. Where is this font used? Not in the UI, not on any page I open.

        I can repro this in Windows too, BTW.

        • Arjan van Leeuwen

          They are used as standard fonts when a web site didn’t explicitly specify which fonts to use (admittedly this is pretty rare nowadays). See http://www.w3schools.com/html/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_intro for an example of these fonts being used.

          • Licaon_Kter

            Ok, I understand, so the question now is, where [on Linux] do I change the fonts for the Opera UI then?

  • ayespy

    This version still crashes Sidewise tree-style vertical tab extension from Chrome store.

    Crash happens mostly when trying to revive hibernated tabs from the extension.

    If you guy are not going to provide vertical tabs, you could at least not wreck an extension for them that almost half-works with Opera.

    • escruting

      Thats why we will never be able to rely on extensions.

      Opera doesnt want to believe it and tries to evade this but its the ugly and hard truth.

      • ayespy

        Extension are a lame and half-baked solution. New versions of browsers ALWAYS break extensions and extension developers can’t, won’t, or don’t care to always make them compatible with the new versions. One measure of progress for Opera is which extensions are no longer needed, and can be uninstalled. Ideally the two or three functions I need extensions for will ultimately be standard, baked-in functions, and I’ll never install another extension.

        • escruting

          Exactly, for me, until Opera treats extension bugs just like normal browser bugs (even with smaller not very known extensions) and works to fix the issues that appear on every new version. Using extensions will never be what it should be until this happens ( and i mean extensions not extremely known that doesnt have a lot of support like Adblock, Ghostery, WoT, etc, do.

          For example, i’ve been using the extension “Scrollbar Anywhere” from the Chrome Store since Opera 15 and its been working perfect until Opera 22 or 23 (i dont remember which one broke it). This extension enables using touchscreen-like scrolling (pdf hand tool) on normal pcs with the mouse. Opera 12 and older had this already built in and it was great, i used it since 2007 or so.

          Its not working as it should and my browsing experience is suffering a lot because of this. I know not a lot of people have my problem, but its a problem with an extension and YOU opera has said a lot of times that you will rely A LOT on extensions to provide features that you will most likely not redesign from old Opera.

          So, i think its important that you be more careful or atleast dedicate a team or something to fix extension problems. This or implement more useful built in features like Opera 12 (i know you wont do this, so, unless you want a browser with only one leg…).

          • ayespy

            You will note that Grzegorz Miazga, who answered me above, is “Addons product Test Lead in Opera’s Wroclaw Office.”

    • So trying to reproduce it without any success so far. Here’s What I’ve done:
      1. Clean Opera profile with “Download Chrome Extension” and “Sidewise Tree Style Tabs” installed
      2. Opened 5 tabs (youtube.com, yahoo.com, mail.google.com, bbc.com, opera://extensions)
      3. Hibernated tabs in Window through extension
      4. Woke up all hibernated tabs
      -> No crash, extension running smoothly, tried it few times with different configurations without any success

      • ayespy

        Thank you for looking at this, Grzegorz.

        Here’s my environment: I’m on Win 8.1.

        I have had this same profile on Developer since the Developer stream opened.

        My installed extensions are Bookmark Favicon Changer, Download Chrome Extension, Tab Position Options (set to open new tabs in last position), and Sidewise. All flags are set to default.

        I have bookmarks bar and tab previews turned on. I have the browser set to open on Start Page, NOT “Continue where I left off.”

        I will change some of these around and see if that alters anything.

        What happens is, when I close the browser and reopen it will multiple tabs, this session is saved as a “window” by Sidewise. After I restart, if I click on a tab in that saved window, sidewise will sometimes crash. If I right-click on the saved window and tell it to “open tabs in window,” it crashes reliably every time.

        • Ok managed to reproduce this issue. Seems it happens when you have both Sidewise and Tab Position Options (with opening as last tab). It’s reported as DNA-24032 currently. We’ll look into it.

          • ayespy

            Thank you for your attention.

      • ayespy

        When I went to close down O24 last time, it froze and I got the “Shockwave Flash is slowing down your computer” error. (I have Flash and Shockwave installed and enabled. I don’t use Pepper Flash – at least not on purpose.) I had just finished setting Opera to “Continue where I left off.”

        When I re-started, all of the tabs reopened except the Opera Blog tab, and when I reloaded that, Sidewise crashed.

  • welt.de_zensiert_meinungen

    Ich hatte hier im Bezug auf den Westen einen kritischen, aber überhaupt nicht beleidigenden Kommentar verfasst. Es ging darum, dass Russland – in den ersten Jahren der putischen Amtszeit sowohl in die EU als auch in die NATO wollte und der Westen dies verwehrte.

    Dieser Kommentar wurde nicht veröffentlicht. DAS IST ZENSUR !!! und das werde ich jetzt in meinem Umfeld so kommunizieren, dass es auf Welt.de keine freie Meinungsäußerung erwünscht wird. Ironisch dass gerade das bei Russland kritisiert wird.

    Aufgrund ihres Verhaltens, nehme ich an, dass sie selbst auch nur Artikel veröffentlichen die dem Westen genehm sind – das werde ich in meinem Umfeld jetzt auch kommunizieren, dass die Annahme besteht dass Welt.de für den Westen unbequeme Wahrheiten eher unter den Tisch kehrt.

  • naranjaa

    youtube crash in linux very often and facebook videos ask me for the flash player.. i need to install pepper from chrome?

    • SQL

      With little researching skills from earlier posts you could find out in about 10 minutes, but yes, Chrome’s pepper is one option. Also Adobes own beta(i believe)NPAPI is available.

      • naranjaa

        thanks bro

  • Dmitry Markovski

    Thanks for the new linux build.

    You probably have known about it all along, but in case you don’t:

    window.print() is not working.

    opensuse 13.1

  • Mahmoud Hossam

    In all Opera/Chromium versions some websites don’t render correctly, like these:
    http://dt.htdt.ru
    http://www.overthetinyhills.com

    I thought it was because H.264 video support, but I tried 24 till this version, but still not working.

    I was surprised!, then I checked Google’s Chromium (version 38), I was shocked to find that it also has the same behavior !

    So what HTML features are not implemented in Chromium that affects Opera ?, and are they going to be implemented in Opera ?

    • SQL

      The second one actually seems weird.

      • Mahmoud Hossam

        notice that this is the Chromium behavior, reflected in Opera.
        I wonder what is missing in Chromium that creates these bugs ?!

        • SQL

          I don’t think there’s anything missing in Chromium; I believe the code is just not so good and Chromium simply can’t run them.

        • It works fine in Chrome!

  • Janghou

    DNA-23526 Native messaging API broken on Linux/Mac

    Thx, now working on Linux

  • Andrei

    Please make ‘Go to address’ to open in new window .

    • Hold down the Shift key while selecting the menu option.

      • Mikhail Aksenov

        Opera have setting for “using current page”, why “Go to address” open in current page if this settings is off?

      • Andrei

        to new tab i mean … like on chrome

  • Niyawa

    Is there any way to install userscripts natively, without the help of extensions?

    I’m using Greasemonkey but it’s been giving me some horrendous amount of memory leaks. Native solutions tends to work much better and faster too, so I’m not sure why Opera doesn’t support this yet, considering Chrome does.

    • Vux777

      how chrome supports userscripts natively? (without manager extension)

      • Niyawa

        If you download a userscript, open the extensions page and do a drag and drop with it, Chrome will install it as it was some sort of extension. If I do the same on Opera, it shows me I can drag and drop but after I drop, nothing happens. I assumed it wasn’t supported because of that.

        • Vux777

          but on the next chrome start, you will get unsupported extension disabled msg… and there is no way to enable it back…so it’s kinda pointless

          • Niyawa

            Never happened with me. I’m using latest developer build of Chrome and every time I open it it’s working just fine.

          • Vux777

            ye, you are right. Developer don’t have those restrictions

  • RX-3200
  • Lacedaemon

    O25… the “Real Fun with tabs” @user-level? Tab stacking and autogrouping?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      I’m not sure if i would bet on it but there’s always a possibility.

      • Lacedaemon

        You didn’t help much with your post 🙂

  • herrschildkroete

    I test the browser vers 24 portable on USB 3.0 on 3.0 plug. Browser works well. I test the same portable configuration (copy) on USB 2.0 on USB 3.0 plug. Browser now works … unfortunately not, since the software sticks. It is for me less to distinguish whether it is a behaviour with my equipment or more commonly. But I mean it is worth Opera Browser to have on USB too. (My equipment is newer: i5, 4 GB RAM with Windows 8.xx.)

    • herrschildkroete

      System Administrator Appreciation Day – http://sysadminday.com – Cheers for yours help! But, now weekend for all…

  • Vimeo still doesn’t work for me. All videos say they can’t be played with my current setup.

    • SQL

      Daniel said this will be fixed in version 25.

    • Rafael Luik

      Yes!!!!111!! H.264!!!!11!!1

      • I don’t understand. Could you express it in more words?

        • Rafael Luik

          I mean Vimeo displays that message because they only make the video available in H.264. It’s a patent-encumbered format that Opera never supported (it isn’t free), opting for WebM instead.

          But… They’re adding support for it (Cisco made it available for free recently), search in opera:flags for media.

          • Thanks. Your explanation has two problems: one, I was able to watch Vimeo videos before, so the format *was* supported by Opera at one point (unless Vimeo changed it, even for old videos); two, I found the flag “Propietary media types” that is set to default (enabled), so it looks like the problem is somewhere else. Or I still fail to understand something.

          • Rafael Luik

            I forgot the flag is enabled by default, sorry. It’s a new bug then. I believe SQL gave you the right answer.

            (But Vimeo had some WebM videos in a distant past AFAIK…)

  • supaywasi

    Opera Team, when will you finally add the possibility to change the default search engine to a custom engine? I am tired of using shortcuts.

    • Cryio

      They could but they won’t for the fear of highjacking.

    • Jonathan Aanesen

      If I recall correclty I think this got something to do with money… Therefore we can’t change it. (Not 100% sure)

  • newscpq

    Hi, I’d want http://www.istella.it to be my default search engine, instead of google.

    How do I set istella.it as default search engine?

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Afaik, you don’t. It’s not possible to set a custom search as the default one

  • netmain

    Thank you guys for the new “snapshot”
    just to let you know, the HA bug mentioned in the previous build is fixed,
    but the fix that you implemented to prevent the whole browser from crushing or freezing doesn’t seem to wok here ! the browser freezes a lot ! with only 3 or 4 tabs !

    • ayespy

      I’m getting empty background tabs with slow recovery as well.

    • Wando Schneider

      I noticed this delay for tabs on background too.

  • lmkko

    A Chrome extnsion I use, Chrome EQ: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/audio-eq/lfafdlnjaliaghpjdajmlcnnblkgcefh

    Will not work in Opera, but works in Chrome and Chomium. It is an EQ for HTML5 audio. Is this because of some dependencies they add? If so, what are they and how can I add them

    Thanks

  • Sidney Moraes

    Does it works with Linux Mint 32bits?

    • ayespy

      It’s only Ubuntu flavors 64 bits so far. 32 bit and other distros will be along in time.

      I’m kind of eager to see 32-bit compatibility actually, because I just installed Linux on one of my old towers for the first time and am getting familiar with it. It’s a Lubuntu fork, so when 32-bit Linux hits, I’m all over it.

      • Sidney Moraes

        But Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu

        • Wando Schneider

          It’s working on Mint. But, you need to open with root permission.

          • Sidney Moraes

            Thanks 🙂

          • Arjan van Leeuwen

            There’s no need to ‘open with root permission’, on any distribution.

            The first build of Opera Developer for Linux that we released had a crash bug on startup import that triggered if Chrome was your default browser. Some people concluded from that that ‘It works if you start as root’ (Chrome wouldn’t be root’s default browser, so the import wouldn’t trigger, and you wouldn’t get the crash), but of course that’s not exactly the right conclusion :). The bug has since been fixed (since the second build was released).

            If you’re on a distribution that doesn’t support .deb packages, try Ruari’s unofficial guide, which will tell you how to correctly setup the sandbox permissions: https://gist.github.com/ruario/99522c94838d0680633c

          • Wando Schneider

            Mr Arjan,

            I tested on latest build 24.0.1558.21, and still don’t open. Through terminal, I get this messages:

            ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overridden by environment.

            [0730/230639:ERROR:ui_stubs.cc(58)] Not implemented reached in views::Widget* CreateBrowserModalDialogViews(views::DialogDelegate*, gfx::NativeWindow)

            ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overridden by environment.

            [0730/230639:ERROR:ui_stubs.cc(58)] Not implemented reached in views::Widget* CreateBrowserModalDialogViews(views::DialogDelegate*, gfx::NativeWindow)

          • Arjan van Leeuwen

            Thanks Wando. Can I ask you to file a bug report for this issue at https://bugs.opera.com/wizarddesktop/ ? That way we can keep in touch with you and follow-up to request more details.

          • Wando Schneider

            Of course. I’m always glad to contribute with you guys.

          • Wando Schneider

            You’re right. If chrome aren’t the default browser, then works. But, I tested with the latest build (24.0.1558.21), and still doesn’t work when chrome are the default browser.

  • Checking Tab add-ons for Firefox I found this.

  • siamak

    Hi
    can you make an option to remove close button (x) on each tab?

  • Xpander

    Since this update i get Native WM window titlebar on top of the browser under Linux that is. Thats really not the desired solution as it takes way too much space.
    Previous version had hardcoded ubuntu theme though, but at least the min,max, close buttons were on the tab bar – not added to extra titlebar on the top.

    Is there a option to turn the titlebar off? or i have to do it in hacky way with scripts?

    • That depends on your window manager. And it should depend on the window manager, especially since there are so many different ones for X11. Which one are you using?

    • Arjan van Leeuwen

      You can return to the Unity themed Opera frame – if you’re not actually using Unity or Gnome – by starting Opera like this:

      opera-developer –force-native-window-frame=false

      The options you have are ‘false’, ‘true’ and ‘default’ (autodetect).

  • YemSalat

    Please enable DirectWrite on Windows by default, fonts look awful without it.

    • Rinne Tensei

      hold on ! it will be enabled in opera 24. chrome 37 beta has it enabled by default

      • Rafael Luik

        25*

    • SQL

      My problem with DirectWrite is that fonts sometimes bug out and i can’t read anything at all..

  • LoverOfLife

    What means Experimental start page ? I have enabled it, but i can’t see any changes

    • NoName

      I don’t think it’s available to us yet. It’s an internal thing only, so far.

  • Goran

    I would like to set DuckDuckGo as a default search engine in opera, but I can’t do this…

    • Leonardo Gomes

      Yep, not possible atm due to secxurity reasons. Maybe in the future.

      • taneli

        Hopefully not “Maybe”.
        I’d like to set mine to startpage.com.

  • dqdb

    Could you whitelist GitHub links (and similar development related pages) in Disqus?

  • Alacran

    Same bug as in previous build, saved passwords are not auto entered on some webpages.
    When deleting the saved passwords in password manager for those pages, Opera does not offer to save the password when newly entered.

  • The “Delay loading of background tabs” now wipes the content of your open tabs and they only show a blank page. The page content is still visible in the preview, but if you click on the tab, everything’s white. I had to disable that setting.

    • ayespy

      So that’s what’s doing it, eh?

      • Apparently. Because, since I disabled it, the pages are shown correctly after switching, albeit with a small delay.

  • Rinne Tensei

    Can you Opera Dev_s make an option to prefer HTML5 over adobe flash for video sites so that browser uses HTML5 automatically whenever a youtube/other video is found on a page?

    • dqdb

      You can enable it at https://www.youtube.com/html5

      • Rinne Tensei

        everybody knows that ! I am talking about in browser support. Opera does not support MSE & H.264 on youtube, so youtube deploys default adobe flash player. open the link with chrome & compare with opera and you’ll know why chrome plays youtube videos with HTML5.

        • Guest

          You need to disable Adobe Flash Player in opera:/plugins first, or, atleast i had to.

        • Leonardo Gomes

          You can enable opera://flags/#proprietary-media-types-playback and disable flash plugin but you should note that not all pages/videos will work as Opera doesn’t support all codecs yet.

          • Rinne Tensei

            Oh God, get out of the flags !! O24 has it enabled by default. I am talking about in-browser preference like Opera prefers pepper flash over NPPapi ! Opera does not support a thing named “MSE & H.264” on youtube ( https://www.youtube.com/html5), thats why youtube deploys flash player. I am asking to make a code to prefer HTML5 player by OPERA over flash whenever HTML5 video element and Flash element found together for a single video on youtube and Others.

  • Daniel Kit

    Any chance you guys are working on adding back vertical tabs?
    It is sorely missed.

  • Cjcr

    BIG memory leak (>3 GB): http://i.imgur.com/wKvYOmp.png

    I’m using MJPG-Streamer software and MJPG-streamer demo page.
    This happens in all Opera Blink/Chrome versions I tested.
    Is ok in other browsers.

    If you need a test page for test it in your side, please let me know.

  • SQL

    You know, today is my birthday so a new Next build would be a nice gift 😉

    • It’s still in dev stream, but technically 24.0.1558.21 is a beta build. So: Happy birthday 😉

  • Vux777
  • myxelloss

    Hi developers! Posting this comment from this Linux build, which works pretty well, congratulations!

    Are you planning to solve the issue with client certificates? Other browsers prompt asking for a certificate be used, but Opera (in Windows, Linux, Android…) keeps loading the page forever.

  • WL-`

    I realized that if you leave an open tab in the background inactive for sometime, it will have a blank page when you go back to it. The page will show up automatically after a few seconds as if it refreshed(though it didn’t refreshed, just simply loads up the page).

    This only happens if you leave it inactive and in the background for some time. Please fix it.

    PS: I’m testing out the experimental bookmark feature. First impression = awesome!

  • dflyra

    I cannot download or upload to mega.co.nz, the opening frame freezes and does not advance. It happens only with Opera developer, not with Opera Next or Opera Stable.

  • Jonathan

    Any chance of a build that doesn’t depend on newer versions of libc? I’d love to be able to run this on CentOS 6 or RHEL 6